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Margaret

Margaret Report 23 Apr 2012 10:51

I have George James Brown b.1875/6 Kensington, London and wife Emma Edith Pullen b. 1877/8 Kensington on 1911 and 1901 census. Living Swinbrook Road, North Kensington on 1911 and Acklam Road, North Kensington on 1901. However, I have looked and looked for George on 1891 and 1881 census returns using the above information and just cannot locate him. I have no knowledge of the different areas of London so would not be able to recognise if they were perhaps living in an adjacent area. Without this info I cannot proceed to George's parents etc. Could anyone help by having a quick look to see if they, George and/or Emma, can be spotted. Many thanks.

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Apr 2012 11:12

How do you know Emma's maiden name ?
Have you got the marriage certificate ?

Not finding one on freebmd - nor a birth for her either


Pullen is a very Scottish name

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 23 Apr 2012 11:21

This is the only birth I can see in Kensington between 1874 and 1877 but the first names are the other way round (which I have seen happen before):-

Name: BROWN, James George
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1877
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 119

Kath. x

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Apr 2012 11:22

the marraige
View Record George James Brown Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Kensington London
View Record William John Dover Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Kensington London
View Record Florence Annie Harman Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Kensington London
View Record Emily Edith Sheward Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Kensington London

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Apr 2012 11:23

BMD transcript details

Civil registration event: Birth
View the original image

Name: SHEWARD, Emily Edith

Registration district: [?] Kensington

County: London

Year of registration: 1881

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?] 1A

Page no:[?]85

jolee

jolee Report 23 Apr 2012 11:27

The closest I can get is George Brown born 1875 Kensington son of George Brown from Denham Bucks and Eliza from Camden Town who married in 1874 in Kensington but this is from the IGI not always to be trusted.

Good luck not the easiest of names to research.

Adeline

Adeline Report 23 Apr 2012 11:28

There's also this, but in 1913:

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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MarriageFinder: Emily E Pullon married George J Brown
Name: PULLON, Emily E
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Brown
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 357


Name: BROWN, George J
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Pullon
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 357

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 23 Apr 2012 11:30

1911 census just for reference:


Name: George James Brown
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 65 Swinbrook Road, North Kensington
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Estimated Marriage Year: 1899
Occupation: GREENGROCERS ASSISTANT
Registration district: Kensington
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration district: Kensington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 182
Household Members:
Name Age
George James Brown 35
Emma Edith Brown 33
George Brown 11
Lillie Brown 10
Alfred Brown 8
Nellie Brown 7
Toramy Brown 4
Violet Brown 3
Rose Brown 1

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Apr 2012 11:30

is this the 1911 census for the family - for reference
BROWN, George James Head Married
12 years M 35 1876 Greengrocers Assistant London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Emma Edith Wife Married F 33 1878 London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, George Son M 11 1900 School London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Lillie Daughter F 10 1901 School London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Alfred Son M 8 1903 School London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Nellie Daughter F 7 1904 School London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Tommy Son M 4 1907 London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Violet Daughter F 3 1908 London Kensington VIEW
BROWN, Rose Daughter F 1 1910 London Kensington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
182 Reference:
RG14PN182 RG78PN6 RD2 SD3 ED18 SN273

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington North Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Kensington

Address:
65 Swinbrook Road County:
London

Adeline

Adeline Report 23 Apr 2012 11:31

This is Emily Pullon in 1881

Name: Emily Pullon
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Pullon
Mother's Name: Emily Pullon
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 13 Convent Gardens

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
Folio: 130
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Pullon 30
Emily Pullon 25
Louisa Pullon 6
>>>>>>>>>Emily Pullon 3
William Pullon 1
Mary Ling 3
50
Louisa Young 30
Sidney Jeffreys


Jonesey

Jonesey Report 23 Apr 2012 11:33

Births Dec 1899
Brown George William Kensington 1a 137

Births Mar 1900
Brown Lilian Kensington 1a 133

Either birth certificate should confirm their mother's maiden name.

???
Births Sep 1915
BROWN Edward A Pullon Kensington 1a 238

Births Jun 1878
Pullen Edith Emily Kensington 1a 83

Adeline

Adeline Report 23 Apr 2012 11:38

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
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Pullen Edith Emily Kensington 1a 83

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Apr 2012 11:42

Maybe names the other way round ???


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Births Jun 1878
Pullen Edith Emily - Kensington 1a 83

Cheshiremaid

Cheshiremaid Report 23 Apr 2012 11:44

1891???

Name: Emily Pillon
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Pillon
Mother's Name: Emily Pillon
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 27
Folio: 35
Page Number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
William Pillon 45
Emily Pillon 34
Dollpher Pillon 15
Emily Pillon 13
Albert Pillon 11
Mabel Pillon 9
Ethel Pillon 6
Hubert Pillon 3

Linda

Adeline

Adeline Report 23 Apr 2012 11:44

1891:

Name: Emily Pillon
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Pillon
Mother's Name: Emily Pillon
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 27
Folio: 35
Page Number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
William Pillon 45
Emily Pillon 34
Dollpher Pillon 15
Emily Pillon 13
Albert Pillon 11
Mabel Pillon 9
Ethel Pillon 6
Hubert Pillon 3


Margaret

Margaret Report 23 Apr 2012 11:46

Thank you all for your replies.
1. I was given the surname of Emma by her grand-daughter. It is this grand-daughters son I am trying to help with this.

2. Adeline - thank you for that information. It looks a very good prospect to me even though on the 1901 census this couple have two children and by 1911 they actually had 7 !!

I was wondering with the name Sheward being put forth if Emma had been previously married but as she is only 23 on 1901 census with two kiddies age 1 and 2 months, I am beginning to doubt she was married before.

I'll keep the info you have given me in mind and continue wracking my brains. Thanks again.

Mike *

Mike * Report 23 Apr 2012 11:48

You could hopefully get George's father's name and occupation from his marriage certificate.
That would narrow the search

Margaret

Margaret Report 23 Apr 2012 11:48

Thank you everyone - I had been away from the computer answering the phone and had not seen all your replies. Thank you so much for really going the extra mile to try and help. I am going to write it all down now and really study it.

Adeline

Adeline Report 23 Apr 2012 11:56

If the 1913 marriage is the correct one, it wouldn't be the first time a marriage has taken place after many of the children have been born. I have two in my own tree!

Dea

Dea Report 23 Apr 2012 12:08

You are in luck - Ancestry has his Service Records which confirm that the 1911 family is correct and that he married Emily Edith on 17th February, 1913.

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about George James Brown Name: George James Brown
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age at enlistment: 38
Residence: 14 Rendle Street, Westbourne Park W
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 047513
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 13


I have to go out in a minute but will have a look through when I get back for anything useful.

Dea x