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I'm trying to find details of a Florence Heard born approx 1898 in Bermondsey/Lambeth area to a Walter & Ada Heard. I am unable to find out Ada's maiden name and so I don't know if I've got the right Florence.

Can anyone help, please?

:-)

Not seeing anything obvious - have you found them on any census?

Where did you get the information?

There is this marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Walter Heard, bachelor - a carman of 37 West Lane
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Spouse Name: Ada Williams - a spinster, same address as Walter
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Sep 1912
Parish: Bermondsey St James
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Eli Heard < Waterside labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Williams < Dock labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Alfred Heard and Violet Mills.

EDIT: Can't find a Florence born to this marriage.

Births Mar 1898 (>99%) ????????????? different parents on census
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Heard Florence Violet Lambeth 1d 534


1901
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HEARD, Arthur Head Married M 31 1870 Carman
Commercial Rd E
London VIEW
HEARD, Frances M A Wife Married F 28 1873
Camberwell
London VIEW
HEARD, Arthur G Son M 8 1893
Brixton
London VIEW
HEARD, William T Son M 5 1896
Brixton
London VIEW
HEARD, Florence V Daughter F 3 1898
Clapham
London VIEW

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Piece:
427 Folio:
80 Page:
45 Registration District:
Lambeth

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
67a, Ellerslie Road, Lambeth County:
London


Regards Vera

Check out the birth certificate

Births Mar 1898 -
Heard Florence Violet - Lambeth 1d 534

Marriage was long time after birth of Florence in 1898.
Who is your ancestor?
Florence , Walter or Ada ?

Marriages Sep 1912 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heard Walter - Williams - St.Olave 1d 388
Williams Ada - Heard - St. Olave 1d 388

Confusion on my part - sorry. 'Florrie' was in fact the daughter of Eli & Harriet Heard (Walter's parents). Born in 1898. I can't find any more reference to her, other than a Florence Violet Heard was living with Walter & Ada in Macks Road, London SE16 in 1956. No more record of her.

I too am now confused.

According to 1901 cenuses Florence V was the daughter of Arthur and Frances not Eli and Harriet.

.. and this looks like that Florence Violet's marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Florence Violet Heard, spinster
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Spouse Name: Jack Albert Harold Walter Dennis, bachelor - a soldier
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Aug 1918
Parish: Brixton Hill St Saviour
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Arthur Heard < Slacker
Spouse Father Name: George Dennis (Deceased) < Chef
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: William Garrard and George Dinnis.

Address for both: 67A Ellerdale Road.

NB - his surname looks more like Dinnis, as per this record:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1918
Dinnis Jack A H W Heard Lambeth 1d 487
Heard Florence V Dinnis Lambeth 1d 487

In 1911 Eli Heard had a daughter Florie (Florence) - looks like she may have been Walter's sister, not his daughter

HEARD, Eli Head Married M 42 1869 Ship Worker Bermondsey
HEARD, Harriett Wife Married 28 years F 50 1861 Southampton
HEARD, Horace Eli Son Married M 25 1886 Ship Worker Bermondsey
HEARD, Nellie Daughter Married F 23 1888 Bermondsey
HEARD, Walter Son Single M 21 1890 Carmen Bermondsey
HEARD, Alfred Son Single M 19 1892 Dust Collector Bermondsey
HEARD, Sidney Son Single M 17 1894 Bermondsey
HEARD, Harriett Daughter Single F 13 1898 Bermondsey
HEARD, Florie Daughter Single F 11 1900 Bermondsey <<
HEARD, May Daughter Single F 7 1904 Bermondsey

Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Sub District: Bermondsey
Enumeration District: 36
Parish: Bermondsey

Address: 13 Marigold Street Bermondsey County: London

The Walter on this census looks to be the one who married Ada Williams.

The Heard girls call Florence seemed to get flowers as middle names:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Florence Rose Heard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903 < States September 28th
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1903
Father's Name: Eli Heard < Labourer
Mother's Name: Harriet Heard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Crispin
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 5 Freda Street.

Age is a few years out to the 1911, but that's not too unusual.

I guess any of these marriages could be hers:

Marriages Sep 1925
Anderson Edward Heard St.Olave 1d 309
Heard Florence R Anderson St. Olave 1d 309

Marriages Dec 1930
Heard Florence R Rice Maldon 4a 1718
Rice Vivian A Heard Maldon 4a 1718

Marriages Sep 1931
Baker Thomas G Heard Poplar 1c 918
Heard Florence R Baker Poplar 1c 918

EDIT: Looks like the first one's correct, see below.

But there's this death which has an exact match to the birthdate:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Florence Rose Angus
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1903
Date of Registration: Feb 1996
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: A66C
District and Subdistrict: 4691A
Entry number: 126

** Might not be, see below.

According to a tree on Ancestry (well documented and with photos, etc) Florence Rose Heard was the daughter of Eli Heard and Harriett Wallbridge.

She married Edward Anderson (no date given) and died in 1936.

Looks like the 1925 marriage I found is the one.

This would be her death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Florence R Anderson
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 109

There was a child born in 1926.

Got no idea who the Florence is with Walter and Ada, it's not Eli and Harriet's daughter as she's now accounted for. Walter and Ada don't appear to have had a daughter by that name.

HLH - are you able to say what the event was in 1956 that has those three names together? We might then be able to delve further.

Wondering if this is your Florrie

Births Sep 1898
HERD Florence Caroline - St. Saviour 1d 170


Or maybe

Births Dec 1903
Heard Florence Rose - St. Olave 1d 221

(although this one wouldn't be 11yr old in 1911)


EDIT :

Having checked freebmd, it appears that all her siblings were registered in St. Olave so Florence Rose looks the more likely.
So she was actually only 7 at the time of the 1911 census.
Maybe seven was misheard (!) as eleven.

MarieCeleste/Mike - thank you so much for all your delving for us. I had definitely got my wires crossed, it was Eli & Harriet who had 8 children (one being 'Florrie'. It looks like the Florence Rose is the right one.

Walter (one of Eli's sons) & his wife Ada (nee Williams) then had the 6 children, Ada, Ellen, Gladys, Walter, Sidney & Violet.

Someone else on here said it was recorded that a Florence Violet was living with Walter & Ada in 1956 at Macks Road, SE16, but was not shown there in 1960. Petrhaps she was another relative just staying there? Who knows.

The main thing that kicked us off with this is that we know for sure Walter's family lived in Janeway Street, and it appears Marigold Street before then.

Think we've probably solved the problem with the Florence Rose anyway. Many thanks
:-)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
Electoral Year: 1956
Parliamentary Division: Bermondsey
County or Borough: Southwark

(living at 22, Macks Road, Walter C Heard, Ada Heard and Frederick Florance, Violet Florance)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1952 (42%)
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FLORANCE Frederick W HEARD Bermondsey 5c 117
Heard Violet H Florance Bermondsey 5c 117


Births Mar 1932 (>99%)
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Heard Violet H Williams St.olave 1d 153

Aah, that's it. There had been confusion with Florence Violet's names being the 'other way round'. We had since found out that Violet H Heard married Frederick Florance - thus Violet Florance. So that mystery appears to be solved! Yipee!

Thanks all of you for your help. Marie/Celeste - we'd not picked up on the middle Christian names being flower names. Thank you for pointing that out.
:-)