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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Mar 2012 21:55 |
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Updated: certs received 28th Mar- see posting at end of thread --------------------------------
My mums paternal grandmother was Esther Matilda Emons born 30.1.1852 Bethnal Green
She married 1870 John Batchelor and 5 children with him I have all the birth certs and census info
John died in 1884 aged 37 from TB and in 1893 she married her cousin Frederick Hewitt ,a bachelor.
Frederick died in 1899 and in 1900 she married his elder brother Charles David Hewitt a widower who had previously been married to Esthers sister Mary Ann Charlotte Emons ,died Dec 1899
I have Esther on the 1901
HEWITT, Esther M Head Widow F 47 1854 Bethnal Green London VIEW HEWITT, James Son Single M 22 1879 Bricklayers Labourer Stepney London VIEW HEWITT, Herbert Son Single M 21 1880 Bricklayers Labourer Stepney London VIEW HEWITT, Agnes Daughter Single F 19 1882 Hackney Wick London VIEW HEWITT, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1884 Hackney Wick London VIEW Piece: 233 Folio: 64 Page: 51 Registration District: Hackney Civil Parish: Hackney Municipal Borough: Address: 324, Wick Road, Hackney County: London
the children listed are actually Batchelor surname from her marriage to John Batchelor NO sign of Charles David Hewitt.
On the 1911 census Esther is with her daughter Agnes now married , Her hubby has got some of her details incorrect
LUCAS, Walter Head Married M 29 1882 Laborer Hacknet Wick London VIEW LUCAS, Agnes Mary Wife Married 2 years F 37 1874 Stepney London VIEW HEWITT, Esther Matilda Mother In Law Married F 58 1853 Whitechapel London VIEW HEWITT, William Uncle Single M 50 1861 Sheeter Hoxton London VIEW HEWITT, May Sister Single F 20 1891 Assistant In Confectionery Works Hackney Wick London VIEW HEWITT, Rose Sister F 13 1898 Hackney Wick London VIEW BATCHELOR, James Nephew M 7 1904 Bethnal Green London VIEW SHELTON, Frank Visitor Single M 25 1886 Labourer Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW LUCAS, Esther Matilda Jessie Ann Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London VIEW LUCAS, Ivy Ada Rosina May Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 9645 Reference: RG14PN9645 RG78PN513A RD188 SD9 ED12 SN173 Registration District: West Ham Sub District: North Leyton Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Low Leyton Address: 83 Dunedin Road Leyton County: Essex
NOW who are May & Rose ?? bearing in mind Walter had Esther s place of birth incorrect he may have theirs too .
I cant see them can you ??
What happened to Charles David .born 1852 Shoreditch , He isnt this one Name: Charles D Hewitt Birth Date: abt 1856 Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 1b Page: 212
That was a Charles Daniel fishmonger our Charles was a Glass Blower
AND where is Esthers death cert she isnt Name: Esther M Hewitt Birth Date: abt 1853 Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 1d Page: 579
That was an Esther Martha and a daughter was the informant who isnt the same family
Any thoughts anyone ?? I have gone round in circles with this :-(
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ErikaH
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20 Mar 2012 22:35 |
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Births Mar 1855 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hewitt Charles David Shoreditch 1c 202
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GlitterBaby
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20 Mar 2012 22:36 |
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Strange but on 1901 there is a Rose and May that match on birthplaces but in the name of Crofford
Probably not connected
? Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beldom William Hackney 1b 650 Bissell Clara Hackney 1b 650 Crofford William Hackney 1b 650 Foster Isabella Hackney 1b 650
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20 Mar 2012 22:37 |
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Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hewitt Esther M Steel Hackney 1b 1642
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brummiejan
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20 Mar 2012 22:39 |
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I think Rose & May Crofford are different people to the Rose & may Hewitt above:
1901 England Census
Name: Rose Crofford Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Crofford Mother's Name: Clara Crofford Gender: Female Where born: Hackney Wick Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Hackney Wick County/Island: London
Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
William Crofford 34 Clara Crofford 29 Clara Crofford 7 Rose Crofford 5 May Crofford 3 James Wiltshire 55 Martha Wiltshire 56
1911 England Census
Name: Rose Crofford Age in 1911: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 105 Chapman Road, Hackney Wick Marital Status: Single Occupation: WOOD BOX MAKER Registration district: Hackney Registration District Number: 11 Sub-registration district: South East Hackney
Clara Crofford 40 Clara Crofford 17 Rose Crofford 15 May Crofford 13 Willie Crofford 4 Osterley Crofford 0
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ErikaH
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20 Mar 2012 22:40 |
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Name: Eliza Matilda Hewitt Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1886 Baptism Date: 3 Mar 1886 Father's Name: Frederick Hewitt Mother's Name: Ester Matilda Hewitt Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead Holy Trinity Borough: Barnet Register Type: Parish Registers
Name: Eliza Matilda Hewitt Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907 Age at Death: 21 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 308
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GlitterBaby
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20 Mar 2012 22:41 |
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Yep was going to check the later census to rule them out
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Mar 2012 22:42 |
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Thanks Reggie i had checked that Dec marriage out and that Esther was born later Name: Esther Maitlda Steel Birth Date: 1891 Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1973 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5b Page: 1648
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Mar 2012 22:44 |
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Reggie yes thats Charles birth record
They were cousins
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brummiejan
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20 Mar 2012 22:52 |
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Just a guess!
Births Jun 1891 (>99%) Hewitt May Louisa M A Mile End 1c 557
Births Jun 1898 (>99%) Hewitt Rosetta Ada Hackney 1b 562
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20 Mar 2012 22:55 |
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Baptism for Brummiejan's Rosetta Ada
Name: Rosetta Ada Hewett Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898 Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1898 Father's Name: Charles Hewett Mother's Name: Mary Anne Charlotte Hewett Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney Wick Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
address 23 Bartrip Str. Father a glassblower.
So Rosetta is Esther's stepdaughter & niece?
I can't find a baptism for May Louisa - sorry.
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GlitterBaby
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20 Mar 2012 23:34 |
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Anyone got acess to Australian death records on Ancestry
Ada Rosetta Hewitt
Probably the wrong person but you never know
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Madmeg
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21 Mar 2012 03:13 |
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Name: Ada Rosetta Hewitt Death Place: Wodonga, Victoria Age: 65 Father's Name: Charles Barnes Mother's Name: Annie Rosett Walland Registration Year: 1962 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 7438 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
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21 Mar 2012 03:19 |
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And who is James Batchelor b 1894 Bethnal Green, nephew?
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brummiejan
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21 Mar 2012 06:56 |
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Looks like Rosetta Ada Hewitt is the right one - thanks to baptism found by Kucinta. I can't see her 1901 though.
As for May, no idea. Searched for any possible May Hewitts born London, and apart from the one above this is all I have come up with:
Births Jun 1890 Hewitt Daisy May Holborn 1b 668
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21 Mar 2012 07:27 |
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Could this be Charles' death? It would explain him not being with her...although she is described as married rather than widowed (but then in 1901 she is described as widowed and she had already married Charles?
Name: Charles Hewitt Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906 Age at Death: 50 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 313 (click to see others on page)
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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21 Mar 2012 09:52 |
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Thanks Folks
I did wonder if May & Rose were the daughters of Charles and Mary so would be nieces to Esther.
Looks too as if Esther took up with Fred way before she married him . I will get Eliza,s birth cert.
Its not being able to find the on the 1901 which is a puzzle.
Charles & Mary's son Frederick died in 1902 and Esthers eldest daughter was the informant . I checked the home address given for him on the 1901 but not living there I also checked the address given on the marriage cert of 1900 to Charles but they not there either.
Later found Esther on the 1901 living with her children from her marriage to John Batchelor.
MADMEG James Batchelor born 1894 is Esther s grandson from her son Arthur Robert Batchelor s first marriage,
Arthur Robert was my mums dad ,and mum was his eldest child of his second marriage in 1909 to Jessie Sanson nee Ager
Looks like some certs need ordering
Will get Rosetta . Eliza and the death cert for Charles of 1906
THANKS EVERYONE for your input :-D :-D
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 Mar 2012 16:10 |
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Certs received today. Doesn't help when they were marrying within the same family !!lol
Eliza Matilda Hewittb c 1886 was the recorded on her death cert as the daughter of Charles Hewitt deceased however her baptism of 1886 show her to be the daughter of Frederick and Esther Hewitt. Eliza died in 1907 of TB
Rosetta Ada (Rose)was the daughter of Charles and Mary Ann too ,as found on the baptism.
May Louisa Mary Ann Hewitt 1891 was the daughter of Frederick Hewitt and Esther formerly Batchelor nee Emons. Fred and Esther didn't in fact marry till 1893 although Fred reg the birth as if they were already married.
Charles (David) Hewitt did die in 1906. daughter Rose was the informant. She didn't record his second name of David. That breaks down that brick wall.
Now to find when Esther died !!
Thanks again everyone for your help in sorting em out .I wasn't sure from just the GRO records and didnt want to wast money on wrong certs
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brummiejan
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28 Mar 2012 16:45 |
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Good news that your mystery is solved!
Have you considered this for Esther?
Deaths Mar 1935 (>99%) Hewitt Esther M 82 Wandsworth 1d 579
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Mar 2012 09:34 |
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Thanks Jan .I did buy that cert some time ago but that lady was an Esther Martha and the informant was her daughter who isn't one of our Hewitt family.
Have just realised too that Rose reg her dads death when she was only c8 years old and Eliza s death at aged 9 , very young to be an informant.
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