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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2012 21:55

Updated: certs received 28th Mar- see posting at end of thread
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My mums paternal grandmother was Esther Matilda Emons born 30.1.1852 Bethnal Green

She married 1870 John Batchelor and 5 children with him I have all the birth certs and census info

John died in 1884 aged 37 from TB and in 1893 she married her cousin Frederick Hewitt ,a bachelor.

Frederick died in 1899 and in 1900 she married his elder brother Charles David Hewitt a widower who had previously been married to Esthers sister Mary Ann Charlotte Emons ,died Dec 1899

I have Esther on the 1901

HEWITT, Esther M Head Widow F 47 1854
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
HEWITT, James Son Single M 22 1879 Bricklayers Labourer
Stepney
London VIEW
HEWITT, Herbert Son Single M 21 1880 Bricklayers Labourer
Stepney
London VIEW
HEWITT, Agnes Daughter Single F 19 1882
Hackney Wick
London VIEW
HEWITT, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1884
Hackney Wick
London VIEW
Piece:
233 Folio:
64 Page:
51 Registration District:
Hackney

Civil Parish:
Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
324, Wick Road, Hackney County:
London

the children listed are actually Batchelor surname from her marriage to John Batchelor NO sign of Charles David Hewitt.


On the 1911 census Esther is with her daughter Agnes now married , Her hubby has got some of her details incorrect


LUCAS, Walter Head Married M 29 1882 Laborer Hacknet Wick London VIEW
LUCAS, Agnes Mary Wife Married
2 years F 37 1874 Stepney London VIEW
HEWITT, Esther Matilda Mother In Law Married F 58 1853 Whitechapel London VIEW
HEWITT, William Uncle Single M 50 1861 Sheeter Hoxton London VIEW
HEWITT, May Sister Single F 20 1891 Assistant In Confectionery Works Hackney Wick London VIEW
HEWITT, Rose Sister F 13 1898 Hackney Wick London VIEW
BATCHELOR, James Nephew M 7 1904 Bethnal Green London VIEW
SHELTON, Frank Visitor Single M 25 1886 Labourer Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW
LUCAS, Esther Matilda Jessie Ann Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London VIEW
LUCAS, Ivy Ada Rosina May Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9645 Reference:
RG14PN9645 RG78PN513A RD188 SD9 ED12 SN173

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
North Leyton Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Low Leyton

Address:
83 Dunedin Road Leyton County:
Essex


NOW who are May & Rose ?? bearing in mind Walter had Esther s place of birth incorrect he may have theirs too .

I cant see them can you ??

What happened to Charles David .born 1852 Shoreditch , He isnt this one
Name: Charles D Hewitt
Birth Date: abt 1856
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1b
Page: 212

That was a Charles Daniel fishmonger our Charles was a Glass Blower


AND where is Esthers death cert she isnt
Name: Esther M Hewitt
Birth Date: abt 1853
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 579

That was an Esther Martha and a daughter was the informant who isnt the same family


Any thoughts anyone ?? I have gone round in circles with this :-(

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Mar 2012 22:35

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Hewitt Charles David Shoreditch 1c 202

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GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 20 Mar 2012 22:36

Strange but on 1901 there is a Rose and May that match on birthplaces but in the name of Crofford

Probably not connected

?
Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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Beldom William Hackney 1b 650
Bissell Clara Hackney 1b 650
Crofford William Hackney 1b 650
Foster Isabella Hackney 1b 650

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Mar 2012 22:37

Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Hewitt Esther M Steel Hackney 1b 1642

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Mar 2012 22:39

I think Rose & May Crofford are different people to the Rose & may Hewitt above:

1901 England Census

Name: Rose Crofford
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Crofford
Mother's Name: Clara Crofford
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney Wick

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Hackney Wick
County/Island: London

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney

William Crofford 34
Clara Crofford 29
Clara Crofford 7
Rose Crofford 5
May Crofford 3
James Wiltshire 55
Martha Wiltshire 56


1911 England Census

Name: Rose Crofford
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 105 Chapman Road, Hackney Wick
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: WOOD BOX MAKER
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: South East Hackney

Clara Crofford 40
Clara Crofford 17
Rose Crofford 15
May Crofford 13
Willie Crofford 4
Osterley Crofford 0


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Mar 2012 22:40

Name: Eliza Matilda Hewitt
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1886
Baptism Date: 3 Mar 1886
Father's Name: Frederick Hewitt
Mother's Name: Ester Matilda Hewitt
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead Holy Trinity
Borough: Barnet
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Eliza Matilda Hewitt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Age at Death: 21
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 308

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 20 Mar 2012 22:41

Yep was going to check the later census to rule them out

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2012 22:42

Thanks Reggie i had checked that Dec marriage out and that Esther was born later
Name: Esther Maitlda Steel
Birth Date: 1891
Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1973
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1648

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Mar 2012 22:44

Reggie yes thats Charles birth record

They were cousins

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Mar 2012 22:52

Just a guess!

Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
Hewitt May Louisa M A Mile End 1c 557

Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
Hewitt Rosetta Ada Hackney 1b 562

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 20 Mar 2012 22:55

Baptism for Brummiejan's Rosetta Ada

Name: Rosetta Ada Hewett
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1898
Father's Name: Charles Hewett
Mother's Name: Mary Anne Charlotte Hewett
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney Wick
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers


address 23 Bartrip Str. Father a glassblower.

So Rosetta is Esther's stepdaughter & niece?

I can't find a baptism for May Louisa - sorry.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 20 Mar 2012 23:34

Anyone got acess to Australian death records on Ancestry

Ada Rosetta Hewitt

Probably the wrong person but you never know

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 21 Mar 2012 03:13

Name: Ada Rosetta Hewitt
Death Place: Wodonga, Victoria
Age: 65
Father's Name: Charles Barnes
Mother's Name: Annie Rosett Walland
Registration Year: 1962
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 7438
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 21 Mar 2012 03:19

And who is James Batchelor b 1894 Bethnal Green, nephew?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Mar 2012 06:56

Looks like Rosetta Ada Hewitt is the right one - thanks to baptism found by Kucinta. I can't see her 1901 though.

As for May, no idea. Searched for any possible May Hewitts born London, and apart from the one above this is all I have come up with:

Births Jun 1890
Hewitt Daisy May Holborn 1b 668

Jan

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 21 Mar 2012 07:27

Could this be Charles' death? It would explain him not being with her...although she is described as married rather than widowed (but then in 1901 she is described as widowed and she had already married Charles?

Name: Charles Hewitt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 313 (click to see others on page)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Mar 2012 09:52

Thanks Folks

I did wonder if May & Rose were the daughters of Charles and Mary so would be nieces to Esther.

Looks too as if Esther took up with Fred way before she married him . I will get Eliza,s birth cert.

Its not being able to find the on the 1901 which is a puzzle.

Charles & Mary's son Frederick died in 1902 and Esthers eldest daughter was the informant . I checked the home address given for him on the 1901 but not living there I also checked the address given on the marriage cert of 1900 to Charles but they not there either.

Later found Esther on the 1901 living with her children from her marriage to John Batchelor.

MADMEG
James Batchelor born 1894 is Esther s grandson from her son Arthur Robert Batchelor s first marriage,

Arthur Robert was my mums dad ,and mum was his eldest child of his second marriage in 1909 to Jessie Sanson nee Ager


Looks like some certs need ordering

Will get Rosetta . Eliza and the death cert for Charles of 1906


THANKS EVERYONE for your input :-D :-D

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2012 16:10

Certs received today. Doesn't help when they were marrying within the same family !!lol

Eliza Matilda Hewittb c 1886 was the recorded on her death cert as the daughter of Charles Hewitt deceased however her baptism of 1886 show her to be the daughter of Frederick and Esther Hewitt.
Eliza died in 1907 of TB

Rosetta Ada (Rose)was the daughter of Charles and Mary Ann too ,as found on the baptism.

May Louisa Mary Ann Hewitt 1891 was the daughter of Frederick Hewitt and Esther formerly Batchelor nee Emons. Fred and Esther didn't in fact marry till 1893 although Fred reg the birth as if they were already married.


Charles (David) Hewitt did die in 1906. daughter Rose was the informant. She didn't record his second name of David. That breaks down that brick wall.

Now to find when Esther died !!


Thanks again everyone for your help in sorting em out .I wasn't sure from just the GRO records and didnt want to wast money on wrong certs

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Mar 2012 16:45

Good news that your mystery is solved!

Have you considered this for Esther?

Deaths Mar 1935 (>99%)
Hewitt Esther M 82 Wandsworth 1d 579

Jan

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Mar 2012 09:34

Thanks Jan .I did buy that cert some time ago but that lady was an Esther Martha and the informant was her daughter who isn't one of our Hewitt family.

Have just realised too that Rose reg her dads death when she was only c8 years old and Eliza s death at aged 9 , very young to be an informant.