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To Jansmith,Aiden,Choccy,SiviainCanada,

Thank you all for producing such a comprehensive collection of information. I feel somewhat overwhelmed and will take a little time to digest it all.
My family connection with the Trapmans was via the Marriage of Olga Trapman formally Dickson to George Carlyle Gash. The latter ultimately Married three times as his first wife died in 1936 and his second wife Olga Trapman died in 1940.
Thank you all again
Regards

Victor

he also seems to have been in bankruptcy more than once

I like that title!

There's a rather sordid account of the goings on pre-divorce to "the Italian woman" in the Times.

But I like Leila:
THE SPOOFAH AND THE ANTIDOTE by Trapmann, Leila

Maureen

odd little bits of info on various members of the family, which hopefully, help to put the picture together!


Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur Gordon Rose Trapman

Name: Arthur Gordon Rose Trapman
Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1866
Parish: West Derby St James
Father's Name: William Hame Trapman
Mother's Name: Eliza Gordon Rose Trapman

Father- Merchant

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Leila Gardiner Trapmann

Name: Leila Gardiner Trapmann
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1871
Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1871
Father's Name: Wm Trapmann
Mother's Name: Eliza Trapmann
Parish or Poor Law Union: Sunbury on Thames St Mary
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Registers




sylvia

other wills for

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Louis Alexander Stuart Trapman

Name: Louis Alexander Stuart Trapman
Probate Date: 3 Nov 1939
Death Date: 31 Aug 1939
Death Place: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Registry: London

Probate granted to widow Henriette Lily Trapman and National Provincial Bank Limited
Effects £74,333 17s 2d



sylvia

from ancestry ............. you would have to buy the will to find who was actually mentioned in it. But it migth give you some ideas.


Plus it looks as if William Hume had re-married.


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about William Hume Trapman

Name: William Hume Trapman
Probate Date: 9 Jul 1915
Death Date: 3 Jun 1915
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London

from image:-

William Hume Trapman of Chart House, Ash Vale, Surrey, died 3 June 1915. Probate [granted] 9 July 1915 to Agnes Trapman, widow.
Effects £2159 5s 1d


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Agnes Trapman

Name: Agnes Trapman
Probate Date: 27 Jan 1936
Death Date: 25 Dec 1935
Death Place: Hampshire, England
Registry: London

from image:-

Agnes Trapman of Caversham, Church Road, Ash, Aldershot, Hampshire, widow, died 25 Dec 1935. Administration [granted] London 27 Jan 1936 to Margaret Louisa Temple, spinster.
Effects £69 11s 9d



Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)

Temple Agnes Trapman Kingston 2a 917
Trapman William H Temple Kingston 2a 917



he didn't wait long after Eliza died!!


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Eliza Gardner Trapmann

Name: Eliza Gardner Trapmann
Probate Date: 19 Feb 1912
Death Date: 9 Jan 1912
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London

from image:-

Eliza Gardner Trapmann of 29 Roland Gardens, Queen's Gate, Middlesex (wife of William Hume Trapmann) died 9 January 1912. Administration [granted] London 19 Feb 1912 to Louis Alexander Stuart Trapmann, esquire.
Effects £449 12s 4d




sylvia

from a Public Family tree on ancestry


Albert Henry William Trapman
Birth 15 Sept 1876 in England


Parents

William Hume Trapmann
b. 1830, Charleston, South Carolina, USA
d. 1915, Surrey, UK

Eliza Gardner Rose
b. 1841, Charleston, SC
d. Jan 1912, London, England


Siblings

Louis Alexander Stuart Trapman
b. Oct qt 1862, Lancashire, England
d. 1939, Kent, England

Arthur Gordon Rose Trapman
b. 18 May 1866, Lancashire
d. 1896, Dinard, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France

Louisa Adele Rose Trapman
b.ca 1868, France
d. 21 Oct 1962, Ploughley, Oxfordshire

Leila Gardner Trapman
b.July qt 1871, Sunbury, Middlesex
d. 1957




sylvia

Try googling his name!!

There quite a few references to him


This is just one result:-

Review by a Jonathan Trapman ..............................

This review is from: The Dog: Man's Best Friend. A Book For All Dog Lovers (Paperback)

Although this reviewer happens to be a direct descendant of the author, it is not this alone that affords Capt. A.H. Trapman's splendid book on the Dog to deserve a 5 star rating.

This one book became, totally unexpectedly from the author's expectation, the definitive book on dogs from its publication in 1928 until 1953. Its homely, humorous, lovingly researched content will thrill dog lovers the world over. His months of deep research both in the States, UK and Europe make this vintage tome an absolute must for any animal lover's library.

Captain Trapman's love of dogs and his reasons for writing this book are as fascinating as this book. This reviewer's bio indicates why he was so keen to publish this excellent read.

Captain Albert Henry William Trapman can be mightily proud to be once again in print with this latest reprint of a classic of its time. He never knew how high he set the bar, but thankfully others recognized his worth.





from the reviewer's bio.........................

In My Own Words:
Find out how the research by AH Trapman for his book "The Dog - Man's Best Friend"(reviewed here) uncovered a family secret that helped change the world, further developing the impetus for humankind to reach for freedom - visit www.thefreedomcycle.com




sylvia

Lila could really be Eliza??
eg. District: Cheltenham Sub District: Cheltenham
Parish: Cheltenham Enum. District: 37
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Promenade, Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
ROSE, Aurthur Garden Head M 75 1796 United States
ROSE, Elizabeth G Wife F 59 1812 United States
GUERARD, Amelia L Daughter F 43 1828 United States
TRAPMANN, Eliza Rose Daughter F 28 1843 United States
TRAPMANN, Aurthur R Grandson M 4 1867 Lancashire
TRAPMANN, Louisa R Daughter F 2 1869 France
BOWATER, Ellen Servant F 28 1843 Warwickshire
DYKINS, Ellen Servant F 30 1841 Flintshire
STRANTZ, Henrietta Servant F 32 1839 France

wonder if this is the mother (wife of above) same one as i posted for 1901 now living with her son. married 49 years 6 children 4 living
Address: Riverdene Portmore Park Road Weybridge
County: Surrey

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
TRAYMANN, Louis Head Single M 48 1863 Crucible Manufacturer Lancs Liverpool
TRAPMANN, Lila Mother Married
49 years F 70 1841 U S a Residents
SEYMOUR, Walter Visitor Married
8 years F 33 1878 Warwickshire Kimbarton
TORRIANO, Henrietta Visitor Married
8 years F 33 1878 Kent Bromley
STURGESS, Ellen Servant Single F 34 1877 Housekeeper Domestic Northampton
YOUNG, Violet Servant Single F 34 1877 House Parlourmaid Domestic Hers Heinch Hempstead
DIX, Elizabeth Servant Single F 25 1886 Lady's Maid Domestic London

1911 for his father then
married 49years 6 children 4living 2 died




1911 census transcription details for: 29 Roland Gardens S W

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN118 RG78PN4 RD2 SD1 ED31 SN195


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington South
Parish: Kensington Enum. District: 31
Address: 29 Roland Gardens S W
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
TRAPMANN, William H Head Married M 81 1830 Retired Merchant U S a Resident

MEISTER, Leila Von Daughter Married F 39 1872 Sudbury on T England

RIME, Bertha Servant Single F 42 1869 Cook Domestic Charmey Switzerland
FANON, Marguerite Servant Single F 29 1882 General Servant Domestic Pan France
DARLEY, Ethel Marian Hospital Nurse Single F 30 1881 Hospital Nurse St Andrews Plymouth
APPLEYARD, Jessie Hospital Nurse Single F 46 1865 Hospital Nurse Kensington Lambeth
HARMS, Annie Servant Single F 35 1876 General Servant Domestic Guildford Surrey

DADE, Gertrude Servant Single F 26 1885 General Servant Domestic Sarlingham Norfolk
ITZINGER, Gladys Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Hammersmith London
MUNDAY, Rosetta Seravnt Single F 37 1874 General Servant Domestic South Night London

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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DI MOMBERCELLI Irene M S Hastings 2b 102
MAGGIOLINI Irene Hastings 2b 102
NOAKES Lilian Martha Hastings 2b 102
S'CARAMPI DI MOMBERCELLI Irene Maggiolini Hastings 2b 102
>>>>>TRAPMANN Albert Henry W Hastings 2b 102
WICKENDEN Isaac Henry Hastings 2b 102



1911

TRAPMANN, Albert Head Married M 34 1877 Captain Adjutant Territorial Battn S Kensington London VIEW
TRAPMANN, Irene Wife Married F 22 1889 Upper Norwood London VIEW
TRAPMANN, Adrian Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Stanford Dingley Berks VIEW
LAMB, Ellen Servant Widow F 40 1871 Cook - Housekeeper Domestic Henley on Thames Oxon VIEW
LAMB, Ellen Servant Single F 15 1896 Ladies Maid Domestic Hern Hill London S E VIEW
CROOK, Alfred Servant Single M 17 1894 Footman Domestic Weston Bucks VIEW
REEVE, Annie Nurse Single F 38 1873 Nurse Domestic Gt Chesterfield Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6534 Reference:
RG14PN6534 RG78PN324 RD120 SD1 ED4 SN83

Registration District:
Bradfield Sub District:
Bucklebury Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Bradfield

Address:
Brookside Stanford Dingley Near Reading County:
Berkshire


married 1 year


possibly -

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Trapmann William Kensington 1a 168

To jansmith

Ref Albert Henry William Trapman born c 1877

We have record that in 1930 AHW Trapman lived at 38 Lakedale Road
Plumstead SE and his age was 53.

regards Victor

posting for info in case you find a connection with any electoral roll info on ancestry as William was in Kensington
1901 married but no husband with her. daughter born 1872 in Paris
Address: 29, Roland Gardens, Kensington
County: London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
TRAPMAN, Lila R Wife Married F 60 1841 Lady
Charleston South Caroline U S A
TRAPMAN, Rosa L Daughter Single F 29 1872 Lady
France Paris
TRAPMAN, L A Son Single M 38 1863 Crucible Manufacturer
Liverpool
HOLTON, Florence Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic
Buckingham
Buckinghamshire
ARTIGAN, Marcelin Servant Widow F 29 1872 Cook Domestic
France Nortaas (French Subject)
SHALLISH, Florence Servant Single F 19 1882 Parlourmaid Domestic
Uphill
Somersetshire
MERELLE, Charlotte Servant Single F 16 1885 Maid Domestic
France Vitre (French Subject)
SMITH, Montague Servant Single M 30 1871 Butler Domestic
Cavendish
Suffolk

To Jansmith
Ref Albert Henry William Trapman b1877
There is no doubt that his name is Albert and his name & age checked via marriage certificate and when boarding ships reflects back to a birth year of 1877.
Can anyone help with his army record as Captain in the Royal Engineers?
Was he born overseas?
Regards
Victor

can someone look at electoral roll info on Ancestry please
William Hume Trapman 1894 Kensington South Kensington and Chelsea
+other years

Albert Henry Trapman 1919 Paddington and St Marylebone Westminster
Albert Henry William Trapman 1922 City of Westminster and St Marylebone Westminster
Albert Henry W'Illiam Trapman 1930 Woolwich Newham

To Glitterbaby, Jansmith, & Aiden
Ref Albert H W Trapman
Thank very much for your quick and accurate responses.
The death record will be followed up to see if the cause of death is specified.
I still have the problem of finding out the Nationality of A H W Trapman and to locate a birth certificate. The name sounds English or is it?
I have checked all the English and Welsh birth records without success.
Thank you all again
Regards Victor

departure 1931 info from image
address 29 Park Road Bromley Kent age 54 yrs

There is a death record for Albert H W Trapman
Consulate-Bordighera
Country Italy
Year 1931-35
Vol 27
Page 182
Age at death 56
Gro consular indices 1849-1962