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Hi,

Would someone who has FMP mind doing me a look up please in 1901 for the people living at;

13 Talfourd Road Camberwell London

Many thanks, Dee x

here you go


1901

321 STILL, James Head Single M 38 1863 Oyster Mercht
Camberwell VIEW
321 ANDERSON, Matilda Boarder Widow F 65 1836 Living On Own Means
Camberwell VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
497 Folio:
116 Page:
42

Sub District:
Camberwell Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Giles

Municipal Borough:
Address:
13, Talfourd Road, Camberwell County:
London

Oh Choccy.. thank YOU!!!!!!

The Anderson lady I've been looking for!!! But she's Matilda instead of Maria, no wonder I couldn't find her.

Thank you.

XXX

Oh 'eck......... was hoping to tie the 1901 with the 1911;

1911 England Census
about Marie Anderson Name: Marie Anderson
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Handsworth Staffordshire
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Talfourd Road, Peckham S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 26
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Camberwell North
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 02513
Household Members: Name Age
Marie Anderson 45
Ella Mary Dorris 25 >> Born Birmingham Warwickshire

Ella IS Ella Davis, she married Alfred Henry Davis in 1905, however she was born in 1881. I have her marriage cert and all fits into place.

Her mother was Maria Jagger........ however she did have a sister Marian Jagger who married Walter Anderson. so I think she "pinched" the surname after her husband T Bangham) dies in 1891... so I've been searching for the 1901 census for ages for both Maria and Ella.

Maria lies about her age she was actually born in 1845!!!


I have tried with others help on here before to find them, but this maybe a new lead........ so any help in welcome. I have all census before 1891.

Thanks Dee x

Sorry Dee, I know you have this but just posting for my benefit. :-D :-D :-D

1891

BANGHAM, Thos Kirkland Head Married M 35 1856 Living On Own Means
Ashby-De-La-Zouch VIEW
BANGHAM, Maria Wife Married F 30 1861
Handsworth
Staffordshire VIEW
BANGHAM, Ella K Daughter Single F 9 1882 Scholar
Harborne
Staffordshire VIEW
Piece:
2263 Folio:
128 Page:
9 Registration District:
West Bromwich

Civil Parish:
Handsworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
Chester Road, Handsworth County:
Staffordshire


and this is your 1911. They were both a bit coy about their ages!!


ANDERSON, Marie Head Married
26 years F 45 1866 Stafford Handsworth
DAVIS, Ella Daughter Married
5 years F 25 1886 Music Hall Artiste Warwick Birmingham
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2513 Reference:
RG14PN2513 RG78PN84 RD27 SD3 ED29 SN352

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell North Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
13 Talfourd Road SE County:
London


So the 1901 is the elusive census. Will have a look.


EDIT Ella's middle name is Kirkland.

The 3 girls with their correct approx years of birth?

JAGGER, Matilda Daughter F 27 1844 Staffordshire
JAGGER, Maria Daughter F 25 1846 Staffordshire
JAGGER, Marian Daughter F 20 1851

This appears to be the 1901 Matilda in 1911. Her year of birth is consistent in all census records. She was married to a William.

ANDERSON, Matilda Head Widow F 75 1836 Camberwell London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2496 Reference:
RG14PN2496 RG78PN84 RD27 SD3 ED12 SN106

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell North Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
47 Peckham Road County:
London

No, I'm sorry. I have to join the long list of everyone else who is stumped by this. Perhaps they had both gone to Europe in 1901.

Liz x

Thank you Liz for having a look for me.

I've been toying with this family;

1901 England Census
about Maria Anderson Name: Maria Anderson
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William F Anderson
Gender: Female
Where born: Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 558
Folio: 96
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
William F Anderson 40 Born Warwick, Warwickshire. Occupation; Vet. Surgeon
Maria Anderson 38
Phyllis Stuart 19 Born Birmingham, Warwickshire


Now it seems that William married someone else in 1889... he is not with her in 1891 (found him) neither can I find a Phyllis ( or other abrevs.) to fit in 1911.

So now I'm wondering if this is them??

My theory maybe way off, but at the mo it's all I've got.

Dee x

OK......... so thinking aloud.

William Frank Anderson was the brother of Walter Anderson who married Maria's sister Marian.... so I'm now thinking that the 1901 census is looking more promising. I think Phyllis Stuart maybe Ella Bangham!!

BINGO!!!!!!!

1913 William Frank Anderson is living at 13 Talfourd Road!!!

He was there until 1915......... thank you London Electoral Registers.

I know I may never prove that Phyllis was Ella...... can I ask for your thoughts please.


A well pleased Dee xx

A pleasing enigma... :-)

How annoying, three sisters with almost identical names! And they all seem to have married an Anderson!!The 1911 census for Ella is a mistranscription..it is Davis without a doubt.

1901 - how can Phyllis be a daughter-in-law if she is single :-S

Hi Jude,

Daughter in law was also used instead of stepdaughter.

Those Jagger girls liked those Anderson boys and they liked to fib about their age too... naughty ladies!!!

Dee x

yes...you have a real conundrum here!

maybe one of those things you will never prove...but Ella = Phyllis - uuuHHHH??? You could understand Bella...but Phyllis? and wheredoes Stuart come from/

aaaghhh :-P

That census certainly looks promising. Phyllis is actually 17 on it not 19. Can't find any other mention of her anywhere.
Why, oh why, did they keep changing their names and ages? I'm sure there's a story in there somewhere if only someone knew it. Shame you'll probably never know it now.

Liz

Ok.......... unbelievable but true!!! Phyllis Stuart IS Ella Bangham.

Just looked on the Stage Archive and guess what....... there she is;

"ANDERSON

To the glorious memory of Marie Anderson, who died 23rd August 1939, adored mother of Phyllis Stuart"

So Phyllis was her "show" name.

I'm flabbergasted......... I never thouht Iwould solve this, I've been looking for a few years now and in 1 day it all falls into place.

Never give up........ we can find them!!!!

Well done Dee!! I am so pleased for you.

As you say, never give up. They certainly didn't make it easy for you, did they!

But I bet you feel really elated just now just because they were so hard to find.

All the best, Liz

Well done, Dee.

As more info comes online the chinks of the puzzle fall into place.

Your persistence has won out.

Ozi

Thanks Ozi.

I am one happy bunny.