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Erin, PM Received and answered

Sent you a PM..Liam

Hi'Erin,
A week on the West Coast will as we say will either kill us or cure us, especialy today as it's pretty cold here in Cork .

Yes I remember the WBF query, I tend to look up old posts to see if there's any update, however Nicola hasn't added anything since so we dont know if she has more info or not. I also agree, about the at there's a missing WBF

John...Your more than welcome...
The MC will hopefully give you an address which will be of some use locating if her parents were in the area...hopefully she isnt down as same address as Joseph...!

Hi all
Thanks for all your help so far, again the information you have given me lets me do more research
liam in 1901 census darcy is my Grandmother Daisy hull,
Erin still researching pauline will use your info to get MC
again all of you many thanks

Happy New Year To You Liam...
I am also suffering from the flu...first time in my life...!!
Need a week on the West Coast ..that should clear it.

Cannot find a Baptism/Birth in the Co Kerry for PMD/MPD however as the permutations are many starting with Dowlan/Dooling /Doolan etc..who knows where it is...
There are a couple of possible Dowling families in the West Derby area 1871/1881 but until John comes back with some more info.no point in persuing that line....

I am still working on the FItzgeralds from Dublin...(Remember them from Nov.)... I am still of the mind Nichola has lost a generation but there are so many of them I am losing the will to live...

Hi'Erin, Happy New Year to you and yours,

Good find !!!
I must confess, I only looked at the 1862 births, normally I take a wider look but didn't in this case, I'm not thinking straight with the flu'

I had thought of the names, Nicholas/Jane, however s there was 5 year age gap between Ellen an Mary, I thought that this could account it

John....Do you know address where Mary (Pauline ) was living at time of her marriage...?

Joseph Hull 2/12/1856 died Sept 1903.
Mary dowling died 1909.

Maryb.

Morning Liam....!! Did another trawl through the Co Kerry mainly because I couldnt find any of their children named Nicholas/Jane...then found the following

John...Have you Mary and Josephs MC...if so then it should give her fathers name... you can then cross ref.with this..(.took some finding mainly because she was Christened PAULINE not Mary) and birth date is 1859

parents: Thomas Dowling
spouse: Joseph Hull


groom's name: Joseph Hull
groom's birth date: 1856
groom's age: 28
bride's name: Pauline Mary Dowling
bride's birth date: 1859
bride's age: 25
marriage date: 25 Aug 1884
marriage place: St. Mary'S, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Hull
bride's father's name: Thomas Dowling

This may be them 1901 census.

Named as Hall

Benjm Hall - aged 8 born Liverpool
Darcy " " 7 "
Edward " " 3 "
Ellen " " 15 "
John " " 5 "
Joseph " head 45 " Railway Lodger examineer
Lillian " 1 "
Mary " 10 "
Mary " wife 39 County Kerry Ireland.

Address- 39, Nelson Street,
Walton on the Hill
Liverpool

The above marriage doesnt match with details from Tree Link provided by Margee ...

You would need to be checking that out as the Tree has no definative source details...

Possible Birth / Baptism

Mary Dowling.
Birth 14th Mar 1862
Baptism 19th Mar 1862

Father- Nicholas Dowling.
Mother- Jane Talbot.

Address- Laherne,Tralee

? Josephs parents....

Thomas Hull

marriage: 07 Mar 1847 Liverpool,


groom's name: Thomas Hull
bride's name: Ellen Walker
marriage date: 07 Mar 1847
marriage place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
groom's father's name: Benjammin Hull
bride's father's name: John Walker
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single

Marriage was at Christ Church Liverpool

Benjamin Hull married Eliz. Barclay/ Barcley at Our Lady and St Nicholas 1870
She was possibly daughter of Wm and Isabelle Barclay...Baptised above Church 1848.
Baptism: 11 Jul 1847 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barcley - [Child] of William Barcley & Isabella
Abode: New Hall St.
Occupation: Wheelwright.

1881 Census...

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Benjamin HULL Head M Male 31 L pool, French Polisher
Elizabeth HULL Wife M Female 29 L pool,
Mary J. HULL Daur Female 11 L pool, Scholar
Sarah E. HULL Daur Female 9 L Scholar
Elizabeth HULL Daur Female 6 L pool, Scholar
Benjamin HULL Son Male 3 L pool,
Joseph HULL Son Male 5 m L pool,


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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Roden St
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England

Thomas Hull...Baptism also Baptised same time *Benjamin Hull* b1848.

Baptism: 20 Mar 1851 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancs.
Thomas Hull - [Child] of Thomas Hull & Ellen
Born: 27 Feb 1851
Abode: Fulford St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J. Wm. Welsh Off: Min.
Register: Baptisms 1850 - 1851, Page 310, Entry 2476

Sarah Ellen Hull born 25/8/1861 christened 1868 by Thomas and Ellen Hull.She married William Moorcroft in 1880.
Address at time of marriage for Sarah Ellen Hull was Cherry lane the place where Joseph was in 1881 and witnesses were Benjamin Hull and Mary hull.
Benjamin Hull brother to Joseph.

Sarah Ellen Hull sister to Joseph who married Mary Dowling.

Maryb.

Hi John,do you have children Denton 1893? I think this has been mistranscribed from 1901 census as there is no birth record for that name.
On a closer look at the original it starts with B and looks like Benj.
I think this is him Benjamin Hull A/M/J 1892 west Derby.

Darcy on 1901 is infact Daisy 1894 West Derby she married Joseph Noden in 1918.

Benjamin Hull born 1892 in Walton.
1911 71, Makin Street walton

Sarah Ellen Moorcroft 1862 Everton widow.
Benjamin Hull nephew Railway Worker (like Joseph Hull 2/12/1855 died 1903.

Army records show Benjamin Hull born 1892 born in Walton a Fireman
Reg no 34815.
Next of Kin Aunt Sarah Moorcroft 18,Romley St walton.

There is a death for Mary Hull 1862 - 1909.

Maryb.

1851

MCKEE, David Head Married M 38 1813 Dock Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
MCKEE, Ellin Wife Married F 37 1814
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
HULL, Thomas Brother In Law Married M 23 1828 Dock Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
HULL, Ellin Wife Married F 22 1829
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
Piece:
2190 Folio:
543 Page:
22 Registration District:
West Derby

Civil Parish:
Kirkdale Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
2, Town To Dee, Kirkdale, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Incredible response thankyou all, it is the right familiesand has given me a lot more to go on once again thankyou