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I have now got the birth certificate and it has thrown up more questions. Eliza was born 14 Apr 1856 to John and Ann Allen in Bentley Heath, Solihull.

The only marriage I can find is John Smitten to Ann Holland! I went to the Birmingham Library to find this marriage in 1846. I found it and Ann was single (I was hoping she was a widow!) when she married and she was a Holland.

So now marriage is out!

Can anyone find a Smitten and Allen marriage? Please!
:-D

Help! Some advice is needed.

I have now got a birth cert for Eliza Smitten (as above). The birth certificate shows that the father is John Smitten and mother is Ann Allen. On following all the clues I believed (perhaps mistakenly) that her mother's maiden name was Holland. Eliza seemed to belong the census referenced above but now I am not so sure.

As mentioned above, there was no Eliza Smitten and George Smith marriage so question is how do I go about confirming this or not?

Thanks in advance.
:-)

An update! I believe one of the Elizas should have been Matilda b 1859 so am on right track. Will talk to the registrar tomorrow!
Thanks for all your help!
:-D :-D :-) :-D :-D

Perhaps. When I apply for the birth I will speak to the genealogist at the Birmingham records office. He is very helpful and may be able help? that is look at the Skillicorn marriage and check the Eliza's age? It will rule one of them out - hopefully!

i think George has the ages mixed up . according to the 1891 he was 31 so should be 51 in 1911 . he says 54

And Eliza in 1891 was 35 so in 1911 should be 55 he says 51 .

so maybe he put their ages the wrong way round ??

Either births though should be the same parents

not according to the 1891 census that Eliza was born c 1856/7

my head's reeling now!

The Smith census is correct as Reuben is the father my living relative.

It does look like Eliza Annie married Edwin Skillicorn.

I have checked the births and in Solihull there are two Eliza one in 1856 and the other in 1860. So would you plump for the 1860?

she seems to be the elder Eliza
1891 census

Name: Eliza Smith
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2409
Folio: 73
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
George Smith 31 occ house painter
Eliza Smith 35
Florrie Smith 9 that should be Harry! ) will do the correction
Bertie Smith 5
George Smith 2
Reuben Smith 4/12


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2409; Folio 73; Page 29; GSU roll: 6097519.


so Harry was born 1882 which rules out the 1886 marriage to Edwin Skillicorn >>>>>>>>>> :-(

SMITH, George Head Married M 54 1857 Painter Solihull Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married
29 years F 51 1860 Solihull Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Rueben Son Single M 20 1891 Bar - Potman Small Heath Bolton Rd Warw VIEW
SMITH, Dick Son Single M 18 1893 Polisher Free Wheel Small Heath Bolton Rd Warw VIEW
SMITH, Dolly Daughter Single F 16 1895 Sinker Chains Greet Albion Rd Worces VIEW
SMITH, Bill Son M 12 1899 School Solihull Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Pemey Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Greet Percy Rd Worces VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18663 Reference:
RG14PN18663 RG78PN1115 RD392 SD1 ED25 SN123

Registration District:
Solihull Sub District:
Solihull Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
Yardley

Address:
Brittania Cottages Warwick Road Acocks Green County:
Warwickshire


Says here she was born 1860?

Unless you have your Smitten girls mixed up I wouldnt bother with the marriage certificate in 1886


Deaths Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Skillicorn Eliza Annie 41 W. Derby 8b 445


SKILLICORN, Edwin Head Widower M 53 1858 Assistant Superintendent Telegraphs Lancs Liverpool VIEW
SKILLICORN, Alfred Ernest Son Single M 20 1891 Apprentice As Clerk To Produce Brokers Lancs Liverpool VIEW
SKILLICORN, Eleanor Alice Daughter Single F 24 1887 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
SKILLICORN, Caroline Annie Daughter Single F 15 1896 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
CHAPPELL, Louisa Visitor Single F 30 1881 Telephones Operator York Huddersfield VIEW
PERRY, Rose Servant Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22630 Reference:
RG14PN22630 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED20 SN33

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Eastern Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
13 Windsor Road Tue Brook Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Name: Eliza Smitten
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hunton Hill Hunton House
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3047
Folio: 110
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Hunter 67
Eliza Smitten 22
Alice Smitten 15
Annie Wells 23 dom servant



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3047; Folio: 110; Page: 10; GSU roll: 1341728.

re the death. I believe that still lived in the Solihull area and mine would be a Smith.
Cheers
J

Hi Shirley
Not sure which Eliza I need so possibly will get the birth cert for the one born in 1860!
Thanks again
J

is this the 1857 one unmarried
Name: Eliza A Smitten
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Leicestershire Central
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 3a
Page: 354

You have all come up trumps. I think they didn't marry but will get the Smitten/Skillicorn marriage - just to check the signature against the birth certificate and Eliza's birth certificate.

Many thanks and have a good Xmas!
Jayne

Or is it Eliza Annie you are looking for ? b c 1859

her sister Eliza A
Name: Eliza Annie Smitten
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1886
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 419
spouse Edwin Skillicorn

or this one but a bit late??
Name: Eliza Annie Smitten
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1907
Registration district: Solihull
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1175
spouse Edwin James Fitter or Thomas Russell

a baptism:

Name: Eliza Smitton
Birth Date: abt 1857
Parish: Solihull
Baptism Date: 1 Jun 1857
Father's Name: John Smitton
Mother's Name: Ann Smitton

looks like her on the 1861 so you have her parensts names
Name: Eliza Smitten
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Smitten
Mother's Name: Ann Smitten
Gender: Female
Where born: Solihull, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Solihull
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address Bentley Heath - Widney Manor farm

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub-registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 2216
Folio: 30
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Smitten 45 occ carter
Ann Smitten 35
Mary Ann Smitten 14
Charles Smitten 11
Ellen Smitten 7
Eliza Smitten 4
Eliza A Smitten 2



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2216; Folio: 30; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542937

so two girls named Eliza they are listed on the actual census page