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Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help unravel the mystery of my wifes grandfather Peter Kelly, his first wife and parents. Heres what we do know:-

Peter Kelly was married in Halifax on 22 September 1920. We have the certificate which confirms he married Doris Buckley a spinster (we knew this already),, worsted spinner and both he and his wife were aged 23 at the date of their wedding. Peter was a Chemical works labourer on the certificate.
In particular it states that his father was Michael Kelly (deceased timber works labourer) and that Peter, though only 23 was a widower, which is a surprise to me. We would like to know more about his parents and his first wife, but there seem to be a few possibilities for this.

Unfortunately Kelly is a very common name, so assumptions made below may lead me up the garden path.
We have no idea where Peter Kelly was born (could even be Ireland) only that he lived in Halifax for most, if not all of his adult life. Family recollections suggest he died in Halifax around 1950 and we have found this :-

Deaths Halifax June qtr 1950 Kelly Peter 2b 586 aged 52 putting his birth year as 1898 approx, which matches that of his second wife Doris and is consistent with his wedding day age.

Free BMd reveals a possible match for his birth in Chester le street, Durham March quarter of 1897 which lines up nicely with the only1901 census search result for a Peter Kelly aged about 3 with a father called Michael living in the Durham area. Could someone perhaps check the image to see who the parents are, this may help me see if I can find Michaels wifes christian name and birth area. Maybe then a possible match with the BMD marriage list ?

Regarding Peters first wife and making assumptions about him being brought up in Durham , I found these two possible wives who died before 1920, one with a child but he left marriage a bit late:- (looks as though ithe baby died)

Possibility 1

Births Births Mar 1897
Swinburn, Isabella born Auckland (durham) 10a 198

Marriages Dec 1914
Kelly, Peter to Isabella Swinburn Durham 10a 779

Births Dec 1914
Kelly,John (Swinburn) Durham 10a 898

Deaths Dec 1914
Kelly, John age 0 Durham 10a 506

Deaths Dec 1919 aged 24 ( born 1895)
Kelly Isabella Easington (durham) 10a 485


Possibility 2

Births Dec 1896
Cosgrove, Ellen born Hartlepool 10a 146

Marriages Dec 1915
Kelly, Peter to Cosgrove, Ellen Lanchester 10a 791

Deaths Sep 1916
Kelly Ellen age 17 ( born 1899 ?) Chester-le-S. 10a 597.. age doesn't match above DOB ?

I don't know how I can resolve this without buying a lot of certificates since there is no census in the short first marriage period to cross reference with.

Any opinions or advice or lookups I haven't thought of please ? Thanks for any help you can give.

This 1901?
Peter Kelly
Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son Father's Name: Michael Kelly
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Kelly
Gender: Male Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil parish: West Hartlepool Ecclesiastical parish: West Hartlepool St James County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 68 Household schedule number: 134 Piece: 4642 Folio: 107 Page Number: 27

Michael Kelly 39 dock labourer Hartlepool
Elizabeth A Kelly 39 West Hartlepool
Elizabeth Kelly 16 West Hartlepool
Sarah Kelly 14 West Hartlepool
William Kelly 12 West Hartlepool
Kate Kelly 8 Hartlepool
Michael Kelly 6 Hartlepool
Peter Kelly 3 Hartlepool
Mary Kelly 1 West Hartlepool

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4642; Folio: 107; Page: 27.

That would be the result I was mentioning, but I don't know if it is the right family. Theres a lot of children there I have no knowlege of. It says Michael is a dock labourer in 1901, he was a deceased timber works labourer in 1920. So I'm not sure I 'm on the right track yet.

Thank you.

1911
KELLY, Michael Head Married M 49 1862 Labourer Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Eliseth Wife Married F 48 1863 Westhartlepool Durham
KELLY, Michael Son Single M 16 1895 Labourer Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Peter Son M 13 1898 School Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Westhartlepool Durham
KELLY, Florrie Daughter F 8 1903 Westhartlepool Durham

RG number: RG14 Piece: 29638 Reference: RG14PN29638 RG78PN1718B RD545 SD1 ED38 SN256
Registration District: Hartlepool Sub District: Hartlepool Enumeration District: 38 Parish: West Hartlepool
Address: 2 Seamer St Whpool County: Durham

Married 27 years, 8 children, all living

Thanks again for the 1911 lookup, I'm hoping I can find some clues to prove this is the right family, the guy is consistent in that he's a labourer up to his death.

Who were the witnesses on the cert for the marriage of Peter to Doris?

What was his address on the marriage certificate please?

There are military records on Ancestry for a Peter Kelly (religon R.C.) who gives his NOK as mother Mary (so possibly father deceased?), 30 (looks like) Hermit Street, Hartlepool.

Name: Peter Kelly
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age at enlistment: 18
Residence: 30 Hermit St, Hartlepool
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 43624
Regiment Name: Yorks Regt
Number of images: 18


EDIT

Occupation Labourer, born 8.6.1899

in 1920 The witnesses at the wedding were :-
Mary Hayden and William Hayden.

Peter's address on Marriage Cert was 25 York street, Charlestown Road, Halifax.
Doris was 7 Duke street, Charlestown Road, Halifax. :-) :-)

If the following is William & Mary Hayden's marriage, wonder whether Mary Hayden could have been Peter's sister?

Marriages Mar 1917
HAYDEN Jacob Tye Halifax 9a 638
>>>HAYDEN William Kelly Halifax 9a 638
>>>Kelly Mary Hayden Halifax 9a 638
Tye Eliza Hayden Halifax 9a 638

So William Hayden married Mary Kelly in 1917 ? Hence Mary Hayden. Mary was 2 years younger as per the census. I don't know, but it seems to make sense ! :-)

the military records posted by rootgatherer refer to this Peter Kelly - not the right father

1911

195 KELLY, Peter Head Married
21 years M 42 1869 Ship Platers Helper Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Mary Wife Married
21 years F 38 1873 Durham Stockton VIEW
195 KELLY, Lizzabth Daughter Single F 17 1894 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Augisteis Son Single M 15 1896 Rivet Catcher Ship Yard Durham Hartlepool VIEW
>>>>> 195 KELLY, Peter Son M 11 1900 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Mary Agnes Daughter F 9 1902 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Alice Daughter F 7 1904 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Norah Daughter F 5 1906 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Kathleen Daughter F 0 1911 Durham Hartlepool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29648 Reference:
RG14PN29648 RG78PN1718B RD545 SD1 ED48 SN195

Registration District:
Hartlepool Sub District:
Hartlepool Enumeration District:
48 Parish:
Throston

Address:
30 Hermit St Hartlepool County:
Durham

Thank you Choccy, I had noticed that Peters age and mothers name as next of kin did not agree with the census details.

Thank you. :-)

I said earlier :-
So William Hayden married Mary Kelly in 1917 ? Hence Mary Hayden. Mary was 2 years younger as per the census. I don't know, but it seems to make sense ! (Married in Halifax).


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Having said that, I'm wondering why both Mary Kelly and Peter Kelly were connected with Halifax as brother and sister pre-1917 unless the whole family moved ? :-S

Can your wife recall the names of any of Peter's family? Any Aunts or Uncles?

I think that what would be the most helpful would be for your wife to check with her parents, aunts, cousins, etc., to see if any of them remember any siblings of Peter. This would really help identify Peter on the 1901/1911 census, whether in England or Ireland.

NB The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Is this Florrie off 1911.

Florence kelly married in halifax 1922 to William Carney had 2 boys one girl named after Florrie's mum.

There was a Kelly/Buckley birth in halifax before Peter and Doris Buckley married,whether its connected or not I don't know.
Ernest M Kelly 1916 death Ernest Maurice kelly born 1916 died halifax 1980.

1911 7,Duke St
Edward buckley 1858 halifax
Ann wife 1868
Doris 1897.

Maryb.

possibly ??


Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Cosgrove Ellen Kelly Lanchester 10a 791
Kelly Peter Cosgrove Lanchester 10a 791



Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Kelly Ellen 23 Halifax 9a 837



there was a possible daughter of the marriage -

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Kelly Kathleen Cosgrove Lanchester 10a 577

I appreciate and understand your comments about my wife asking about cousins aunts and uncles or siblings of Peter. If this were possible we would already have done that. Her grandfather Peter died the year she was born and her mother Agnes (nee) Kelly died 35 years ago without mentioning anything about her family apart from the existence of her cousin Terry (surname not known). Sadly, theres nobody from her family's older generation still alive to ask. This is why we are appealing for help to glean any clues we can.

Thanks for your help. :-)

Using the local index at http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ and the application form

Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
COSGROVE Ellen 1915 Durham Northern
KELLY Peter 1915 Durham Northern
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN68 - 114 - Durham Northern (1915)

Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
KELLY Peter 1914 Durham Central
SWINBURN Isabella 1914 Durham Central
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCREG 94 - 44 - Durham Central (1914)

Both of these marrs are from the registrar's register.
At this date, this would indicate either a rego office marr, or an RC marr that the registrar attended as RC priests weren't authorized to keep registers until 1980ish.

Florence kelly married William Carney,they had son Terence Carney 1926 Halifax .
So this could be Terry cousin of Agnes.

Therefore the 1911 census could be correct.


Maryb