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Hi Mary,

My wife had said that if she heard Terrys surname mentioned, she would probably recognise it. I tried a few random ones from this thread which were definite NOs but when I said Carney she said that sounded familiar and the more she thinks about it the more sure she is thats his surname ! I think all the hard work put in by everyone here has paid off. Hopefully we've found her great grandparents from Durham ! It would appear therefore that at least part of the family moved to Halifax after 1911.

Thanks again everybody.

Florence kelly married William Carney,they had son Terence Carney 1926 Halifax .
So this could be Terry cousin of Agnes.

Therefore the 1911 census could be correct.


Maryb

Using the local index at http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ and the application form

Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
COSGROVE Ellen 1915 Durham Northern
KELLY Peter 1915 Durham Northern
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN68 - 114 - Durham Northern (1915)

Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
KELLY Peter 1914 Durham Central
SWINBURN Isabella 1914 Durham Central
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCREG 94 - 44 - Durham Central (1914)

Both of these marrs are from the registrar's register.
At this date, this would indicate either a rego office marr, or an RC marr that the registrar attended as RC priests weren't authorized to keep registers until 1980ish.

I appreciate and understand your comments about my wife asking about cousins aunts and uncles or siblings of Peter. If this were possible we would already have done that. Her grandfather Peter died the year she was born and her mother Agnes (nee) Kelly died 35 years ago without mentioning anything about her family apart from the existence of her cousin Terry (surname not known). Sadly, theres nobody from her family's older generation still alive to ask. This is why we are appealing for help to glean any clues we can.

Thanks for your help. :-)

possibly ??


Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Cosgrove Ellen Kelly Lanchester 10a 791
Kelly Peter Cosgrove Lanchester 10a 791



Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Kelly Ellen 23 Halifax 9a 837



there was a possible daughter of the marriage -

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Kelly Kathleen Cosgrove Lanchester 10a 577

Is this Florrie off 1911.

Florence kelly married in halifax 1922 to William Carney had 2 boys one girl named after Florrie's mum.

There was a Kelly/Buckley birth in halifax before Peter and Doris Buckley married,whether its connected or not I don't know.
Ernest M Kelly 1916 death Ernest Maurice kelly born 1916 died halifax 1980.

1911 7,Duke St
Edward buckley 1858 halifax
Ann wife 1868
Doris 1897.

Maryb.

I think that what would be the most helpful would be for your wife to check with her parents, aunts, cousins, etc., to see if any of them remember any siblings of Peter. This would really help identify Peter on the 1901/1911 census, whether in England or Ireland.

NB The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Can your wife recall the names of any of Peter's family? Any Aunts or Uncles?

I said earlier :-
So William Hayden married Mary Kelly in 1917 ? Hence Mary Hayden. Mary was 2 years younger as per the census. I don't know, but it seems to make sense ! (Married in Halifax).


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Having said that, I'm wondering why both Mary Kelly and Peter Kelly were connected with Halifax as brother and sister pre-1917 unless the whole family moved ? :-S

Thank you Choccy, I had noticed that Peters age and mothers name as next of kin did not agree with the census details.

Thank you. :-)

the military records posted by rootgatherer refer to this Peter Kelly - not the right father

1911

195 KELLY, Peter Head Married
21 years M 42 1869 Ship Platers Helper Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Mary Wife Married
21 years F 38 1873 Durham Stockton VIEW
195 KELLY, Lizzabth Daughter Single F 17 1894 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Augisteis Son Single M 15 1896 Rivet Catcher Ship Yard Durham Hartlepool VIEW
>>>>> 195 KELLY, Peter Son M 11 1900 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Mary Agnes Daughter F 9 1902 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Alice Daughter F 7 1904 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Norah Daughter F 5 1906 Durham Hartlepool VIEW
195 KELLY, Kathleen Daughter F 0 1911 Durham Hartlepool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29648 Reference:
RG14PN29648 RG78PN1718B RD545 SD1 ED48 SN195

Registration District:
Hartlepool Sub District:
Hartlepool Enumeration District:
48 Parish:
Throston

Address:
30 Hermit St Hartlepool County:
Durham

So William Hayden married Mary Kelly in 1917 ? Hence Mary Hayden. Mary was 2 years younger as per the census. I don't know, but it seems to make sense ! :-)

If the following is William & Mary Hayden's marriage, wonder whether Mary Hayden could have been Peter's sister?

Marriages Mar 1917
HAYDEN Jacob Tye Halifax 9a 638
>>>HAYDEN William Kelly Halifax 9a 638
>>>Kelly Mary Hayden Halifax 9a 638
Tye Eliza Hayden Halifax 9a 638

in 1920 The witnesses at the wedding were :-
Mary Hayden and William Hayden.

Peter's address on Marriage Cert was 25 York street, Charlestown Road, Halifax.
Doris was 7 Duke street, Charlestown Road, Halifax. :-) :-)

What was his address on the marriage certificate please?

There are military records on Ancestry for a Peter Kelly (religon R.C.) who gives his NOK as mother Mary (so possibly father deceased?), 30 (looks like) Hermit Street, Hartlepool.

Name: Peter Kelly
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age at enlistment: 18
Residence: 30 Hermit St, Hartlepool
Document Year: 1917
Regimental Number: 43624
Regiment Name: Yorks Regt
Number of images: 18


EDIT

Occupation Labourer, born 8.6.1899

Who were the witnesses on the cert for the marriage of Peter to Doris?

Thanks again for the 1911 lookup, I'm hoping I can find some clues to prove this is the right family, the guy is consistent in that he's a labourer up to his death.

1911
KELLY, Michael Head Married M 49 1862 Labourer Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Eliseth Wife Married F 48 1863 Westhartlepool Durham
KELLY, Michael Son Single M 16 1895 Labourer Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Peter Son M 13 1898 School Hartlepool Durham
KELLY, Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Westhartlepool Durham
KELLY, Florrie Daughter F 8 1903 Westhartlepool Durham

RG number: RG14 Piece: 29638 Reference: RG14PN29638 RG78PN1718B RD545 SD1 ED38 SN256
Registration District: Hartlepool Sub District: Hartlepool Enumeration District: 38 Parish: West Hartlepool
Address: 2 Seamer St Whpool County: Durham

Married 27 years, 8 children, all living

That would be the result I was mentioning, but I don't know if it is the right family. Theres a lot of children there I have no knowlege of. It says Michael is a dock labourer in 1901, he was a deceased timber works labourer in 1920. So I'm not sure I 'm on the right track yet.

Thank you.

This 1901?
Peter Kelly
Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son Father's Name: Michael Kelly
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Kelly
Gender: Male Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil parish: West Hartlepool Ecclesiastical parish: West Hartlepool St James County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 68 Household schedule number: 134 Piece: 4642 Folio: 107 Page Number: 27

Michael Kelly 39 dock labourer Hartlepool
Elizabeth A Kelly 39 West Hartlepool
Elizabeth Kelly 16 West Hartlepool
Sarah Kelly 14 West Hartlepool
William Kelly 12 West Hartlepool
Kate Kelly 8 Hartlepool
Michael Kelly 6 Hartlepool
Peter Kelly 3 Hartlepool
Mary Kelly 1 West Hartlepool

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4642; Folio: 107; Page: 27.