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minnie landcastle born 1866 married a charles ernest hands they had a daughter ida elsie hands in 1884, cannot find them in any of the records census records wondered if minnie died or if they divorced.

Is this her?
Births Sep 1865
Landcastle Minnie Littlejohn Birmingham 6d 57
LANDCASTLE Minnie Littleton Birmingham 6d 57

Marriages Dec 1883
LANDCASTLE Minnie Littleton King's N. 6c 846
Hands Charles Ernest King's N. 6c 846?

Where was Ida born, and have you got her birth certificate?

Ozi

I can only find them before their marriage. Maybe they emigrated.

Ozi


1881 England Census
Name: Minnie Landcastle [Minnie Lancastle]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick Landcastle
Mother's Name: Rebecca Landcastle
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 76 Gt Colmore St

Occupation: Paper Bag Maker
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas

Piece: 2974
Folio: 110
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Landcastle 50
Rebecca Landcastle 49
Albert Landcastle 21
Rachel Landcastle 19
Polly Landcastle 17
Minnie Landcastle 15
Walter Landcastle 11
Alice Landcastle 9
Joseph Landcastle 13
Charles Landcastle 6



1881 England Census
Name: Chas. E. Hands
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles W. Hands
Mother's Name: Jean C. Hands
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: New Road Woodbine Cottage

Occupation: Commercial Traveller In Hardware
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton

Piece: 2945
Folio: 100
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W. Hands 45
Jean C. Hands 46
Chas. E. Hands 20
Gertrude E. Hands 18
Arthur Hands 15
Mary A. Huxley 17

parents: Frederick Landcastle,? Rebecca Landcastle


name: Minnie Landcastle
age: 15
gender: Female
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
relationship to head of household: Daughter
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Paper Bag Maker
address: 76 Gt Colmore St
census place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341711
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2974 / 110
page number: 33

1881

Frederick LANDCASTLE Head M Male 50 Bristol, Gloucester, England Packer F Lab
Rebecca LANDCASTLE Wife M Female 49 Truro, Cornwall, England Tobacconist & News Agent
Albert LANDCASTLE Son Male 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Tobacconist Shopman
Rachel LANDCASTLE Daur Female 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Barmaid Inn Servt
Polly LANDCASTLE Daur Female 17 Birmingham, Warwick, England Vest Hand Tailor
Minnie LANDCASTLE Daur Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England Paper Bag Maker
Walter LANDCASTLE Son Male 11 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alice LANDCASTLE Daur Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Joseph LANDCASTLE Son Male 13 Birmingham, Warwick, England Errand Boy
Charles LANDCASTLE Son Male 6 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 76 Gt Colmore St
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341711
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2974 / 110
Page Number 33

name: Charles E Hands
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 17
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Birmingham, Warwickshire
record type: Household
registration district: Aston
sub-district: Duddeston
ecclesiastical parish: St Clements
civil parish: Nechells
county: Warwickshire

1881

Thomas HANDS Head M Male 36 South Newington, Oxford, England French Polisher
Sarah HANDS Wife M Female 33 Ashbourne, Derby, England French Polisher
Charles HANDS Son Male 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
William HANDS Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Lottie HANDS Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Court 11 No 8
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341724
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3029 / 80
Page Number 30

name: Ida Elsie Hands
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 17
relationship to head of household: Niece
birthplace: Birmingham
record type: Household
registration district: Birmingham
sub-district: St Martin
ecclesiastical parish: St Asaph
civil parish: Birmingham
county: Warwickshire

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name: Minnie Hands
event: Burial
event date: 20 Feb 1888
event place: Snitterfield, Warwickshire, England
digital folder number: 4292072

1901 census - household transcription
Person: HANDS, Ida Elsie
Address: 76, Great Colmore Street, Birmingham


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LANDCASTLE, Frederick Head Married M 70 1831 News Agent (Shop)
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Rebecca Wife Married F 68 1833
Penzance
Cornwall VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Walter L Son Single M 29 1872 Barman
Birmingham VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Alice L Daughter Single F 27 1874 Dressmaker
Birmingham VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Charles E Son Single M 25 1876 Cabinet Maker
Birmingham VIEW
HANDS, Ida Elsie Niece Single F 17 1884 Leather Stitcher
Birmingham VIEW

I would have thought she was Frederick's grandaughter, not his niece - what do you think Jax?

1891 census - household transcription
Person: LANDCASTLE, Rebecca
Address: 76, Great Colmore Street, Birmingham


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LANDCASTLE, Fredrick Head Married M 50 1841 Newsagent
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Rebecca Wife Married F 56 1835
Liskeard
Cornwall VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Mary R Daughter Single F 27 1864 Vest Maker
Birmingham VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Walter L Son Single M 21 1870 Warehouseman Jewellers
Birmingham VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Alice L Daughter Single F 19 1872 Shop Assistant Drapers
Birmingham VIEW
LANDCASTLE, Charles E Son Single M 16 1875 Cabinet Maker
Birmingham VIEW
>>>>HAUD, Ada E V Granddaughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW

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well she is grandaughter here Ann

Name: Ida Violet E Hands
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1884
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 80 (click to see others on page)


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Bayliss Francis Gabriel Birmingham 6d 299
HANDS Ida Violet Birmingham 6d 299

Name: Ida E V Bayliss
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1967
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 560

According to a tree on ancestry Minnie travelled to Australia in 1886 and married William A Milne in 1896

Charles died in 1885

Deaths Dec 1885 (>99%)
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HANDS Charles Ernest 19 Aston 6d 181

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1871

Name: Charles E Hands
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: J William Hands
Mother's Name: Jane Hands
Gender: Male
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
J William Hands 35
Jane Hands 31
Elan J Hands 6
Charles E Hands 5
Jane Hands 2
Lily Hands 1
Clara Hayward 18


1881 fathers name is George William Hands and they seem to have missed the surname off

Name: Ernest Williams
[Ernest Hands]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Williams
Mother's Name: Janie Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 67 Monument Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ironmongers Clerk

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
George Williams 48
Janie Williams 42
Helen Williams 16
>>>>Ernest Williams 15 (Charles E Hands)
Irene Williams 12
Lilly Williams 10
Blanche Williams 9
Edmund Williams 7
Lula Williams 5

This is the marriage in Australia of Minnie

Reg No/Yr Surname Given Names Spouses Surname Spouses Names District
375/1896 Milne William A Hands Minnie L Sydney

The only death I can find is the following, unfortunately no parents named, age is a bit out

You will have to purchase the marriage certificate, to confirm it is indeed your Minnie, it should have parents names, where born, age etc.

You can purchase transcripts cheaper if you go to

http://www.joymurrin.com.au

Reg No/Yr Surname Given Names Fathes Name Mothers Name District
9602/1955 Milne Minnie 83 years Neutral Bay Chatswood

Joy

This tree does not give any children apart from Ida.... but it does say that she married William Andrew Milne AKA Scott Robertson??

I have now found a story that he was a bigamist and a clergyman??? eyes are watering so I cannot read it properly :-D

Thanks Jax, are your eyes watering because of the story, or your tired and should be in bed!!

Teresa, you can discount the death of Minnie that I gave your previously, she is not yours

Joy

Eyes are watering because I am so hot with this stupid October weather for the UK and fan is just aimed at my face...maybe I am tired too :-D

jax

There is a death for her husband in 1930 but not one for her