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Kim / Mary,

Many thanks for this further information of great interest

Much appreciated

Mark

Like you, Mary, I'd be rather suspicious about a link to 1480 but the Ironmonger-Lakin information is at least checkable via registers and census returns :-)

Best wishes

Kim in 'ull

Info off Ancestry
Ann Ironmonger (one of nine children) daughter on Joseph born 1785 Salesby Lincs died 1857 Alford,he married Jane Lakin 25/5/1817 she was born 1796 died 1875.

The tree goes back to Thomas ironmonger 1480 born in Ashley Staffordshire.

please double check info.

Maryb.

Hi Mark

The wedding of John Turner and Ann Ironmonger took place on 22 Dec 1846 in St Mary's, Lowgate, Hull. John Turner was described as a bachelor of full age, a brickmaker, son of John, also a brickmaker. Ann Ironmonger was a spinster, a minor and the daughter of Joseph, a labourer. Both sigened with an "x". Both gave the address of 11 Pall Mall Court. Witnesses were Rachel and Elizabeth Smith.

The marriage was conducted by the Rev. John Scott...there were three John Scotts, father, son and grandson who were incumbents at St Mary's over many years. Wetherspoon's have named a boozer over the road "The Three John Scotts" in their honour (i'm sure they would have been delighted!).

If Ann was a minor, it may suggest that this was indeed one of those runaway marriages....
Best wishes

Kim

Kim,

Many thanks for information, a murder that is interesting!! Will report back to my cousin who the direct decendent

Thanks
Mark

I love an intriguing story Kim. I wonder if Mrs Iremonger's name was Ann? A possible will perhaps ?

http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplaySearchResults.aspx?oid=512255&mode=c&pageNo=11

Linda

I've not been to the local archives as yet but will not forget to look for that marriage for you but I have a couple of snippets you might find interesting. I've started a genealogy course and during the first session it emerged that Hull in the mid-nineteenth century had a reputation as being a kind of Gretna Green, particularly for folks from Lincolnshire who wanted to marry without their families knowing - this was from a letter by a registrar to the Daily News. I wondered if it might apply to your couple.

The second thing is that while I was looking for the full reference to the above story, I came across a collection of extracts - mainly BMD announcements - from newspapers on the Lincs FHS site www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk
included was this:
Lincoln, Rutland & Stamford Mercury 8 September 1815
"On Friday last at Alford Mrs Iremonger, advanced in years, Relict of Mr William Iremonger, grazier, who left his residence on horseback nearly twenty years ago and has not since been heard of, he is supposed to have been murdered."

Likely related to your Miss Ironmonger. Intriguing story, eh?

Best wishes

Kim in scorching Hull

The 1846 marriage took place at St Mary's in Hull ( per Yorkshirebmd site). I am going to the Hull LDS library on Tuesday - if you would like me to see if they have a film of the parish register, please let me know.

Best wishes

Kim in Hull

Parents names are the same on the 1841 census...strange they would say she was 12 when she was 15 ish ?? they did'nt round down childrens ages

jax

Following on from Jax a possible ???

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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ANN IRONMONGER Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 OCT 1826 Alford, Lincoln, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH IRONMONGER Family
Mother: JANE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C011152 1813 - 1836 0421886 Film 6907381 Film

well I've just been through a shedload of marriages of Ann's in Lincolnshire in the likely dates - crumbs - so many of them - have gone through a thousand and my hand has gone numb!! I can't believe how many Ann's married in Lincolnshire around that time - 9,523!!!

And many thanks to Kathleen, sorry typing as your reply came in

Cheers
Mark

parents:James Travis
spouse:John Turner

groom's name: John Turner
bride's name: Ann Aldham
marriage date: 26 Oct 1846
marriage place: Epworth, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: Benjamin Turner
bride's father's name: James Travis
bride's marital status: Widowed
indexing project (batch) number: M02814-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542186

Hi

Many thanks to Ann and Jax for their help.

Jax.. looking at the certificate it could be Ann Turner formerly Ironmonger. Lincolnshire just across the water from Hull. 1846 roughly the time their firest child born around

1841??

Name: Ann Ironmonger
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Alford
Hundred: Calceworth Hundred (Marsh Division)
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Alford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 626
Book: 5
Folio: 40
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Ironmonger 55
Jane Ironmonger 40
Joseph Ironmonger 20
William Ironmonger 2
Ann Ironmonger 12
Eliza Ironmonger 10
Martha Ironmonger 8
Mary Ironmonger 6
Maria Ironmonger 5


Looks promising age different though...but she may have lied to get married?

probably not but just in case!!!!

parents:William Barr
spouse:John Good Turner

groom's name: John Good Turner
bride's name: Mary Ann Barr
marriage date: 21 Sep 1846
marriage place: Nettleton, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: John Turner
bride's father's name: William Barr
indexing project (batch) number: M03039-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1542188

Ohh......well done jax. I bet that is the one. I was only looking at Lincolnshire marriages, so no wonder I couldn't find it.

Kath. x

I can't find a marriage for a John Turner and an Ann with a surname anything like the name you give.

I would suggest phoning the GRO (or wherever you ordered the certificate from) and ask if they could give you the surname. I have found them very helpful when I couldn't read a name on a certificate.

Kath. x

This is the only marriage coming up in Hull??

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
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Codling Charlotte Hull 22 366
Ellyard Margaret Hull 22 366
>>>>>>>>>>>Ironmonger Ann Hull 22 366
Jessop Sarah Ann Huddersfield 22 366
Meek George Hull 22 366
Meek George Barker Hull 22 366
Richardson Maria Sheffield 22 366
Sellars Eliza Sheffield 22 366
Trowell Richard Hull 22 366
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turner John Hull 22 366

unless they did'nt marry or she had been married before?

1881

Miller TURNER Head M Male 28 Borough, Lincoln, England Brickmaker
Agnes J. TURNER Wife M Female 25 Lowdham, Nottingham, England
Gertrude TURNER Daur Female 6 Stapleford, Nottingham, England Scholar
Tom TURNER Son Male 4 Lowdham, Nottingham, England Scholar
Fanny M. TURNER Daur Female 11 m Stictney, Lincoln, England
Jabes WEBDEL Lodger U Male 28 Ruffom, Norfolk, England Labourer


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Source Information:
Census Place Shelford & Saxondale, Nottingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341809
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3383 / 45
Page Number 24