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Hi,

I have been tracing family history on behalf of my cousin.

One of her direct ancestor is Miller Turner born 3 February 1855 in Burgh, Lincolnshire. I understand the Miller's parents were John Turner born 1825 in Well, Linclonshire and Ann Turner born c1826 in Alford, Lincolnshire.

I am trying to find Ann's maiden name and so ordered Miller's birth certificate. However, her maiden name is difficult to de-cypher. It looks like Tremnonger or Fremnonger.

I wondered if anybody had researched Alford parish records and could confirm Ann's family name.

Thanks
Mark

parents:John Turner,? Ann

name: Miller Turner
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 20 Feb 1819
baptism/christening place: BURGH-LE-MARSH,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
father's name: John Turner
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C02732-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 421948

parents:John Turner
spouse:Annie Moore

groom's name: Miller Turner
groom's birth date: 1877
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Annie Moore
bride's birth date: 1880
bride's age: 23
marriage date: 1903
marriage place: Clee, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: John Turner
bride's father's name: George Moore
indexing project (batch) number: M02752-8
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1450453

name: Miller Turner
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Lincoln Burgh
record type: Household
registration district: Spilsby
sub-district: 5 Alford
county: Lincolnshire

??

name: Ann Freeman
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Female
age: 15
birthplace: Lincolnshire
record type: Household
registration district: Newark
sub-district: North Collingham
civil parish: Swinderby
county: Lincolnshire

George Freeman,? Anne Freeman

name: Anne Elizabeth Freeman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Mar 1825
baptism/christening place: St. Botolph's, Boston, Lincoln, England
father's name: George Freeman
mother's name: Anne Freeman
indexing project (batch) number: I02288-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542031

1881

Miller TURNER Head M Male 28 Borough, Lincoln, England Brickmaker
Agnes J. TURNER Wife M Female 25 Lowdham, Nottingham, England
Gertrude TURNER Daur Female 6 Stapleford, Nottingham, England Scholar
Tom TURNER Son Male 4 Lowdham, Nottingham, England Scholar
Fanny M. TURNER Daur Female 11 m Stictney, Lincoln, England
Jabes WEBDEL Lodger U Male 28 Ruffom, Norfolk, England Labourer


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Source Information:
Census Place Shelford & Saxondale, Nottingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341809
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3383 / 45
Page Number 24

This is the only marriage coming up in Hull??

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
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Codling Charlotte Hull 22 366
Ellyard Margaret Hull 22 366
>>>>>>>>>>>Ironmonger Ann Hull 22 366
Jessop Sarah Ann Huddersfield 22 366
Meek George Hull 22 366
Meek George Barker Hull 22 366
Richardson Maria Sheffield 22 366
Sellars Eliza Sheffield 22 366
Trowell Richard Hull 22 366
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turner John Hull 22 366

unless they did'nt marry or she had been married before?

I can't find a marriage for a John Turner and an Ann with a surname anything like the name you give.

I would suggest phoning the GRO (or wherever you ordered the certificate from) and ask if they could give you the surname. I have found them very helpful when I couldn't read a name on a certificate.

Kath. x

Ohh......well done jax. I bet that is the one. I was only looking at Lincolnshire marriages, so no wonder I couldn't find it.

Kath. x

probably not but just in case!!!!

parents:William Barr
spouse:John Good Turner

groom's name: John Good Turner
bride's name: Mary Ann Barr
marriage date: 21 Sep 1846
marriage place: Nettleton, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: John Turner
bride's father's name: William Barr
indexing project (batch) number: M03039-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1542188

1841??

Name: Ann Ironmonger
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Alford
Hundred: Calceworth Hundred (Marsh Division)
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Alford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 626
Book: 5
Folio: 40
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Ironmonger 55
Jane Ironmonger 40
Joseph Ironmonger 20
William Ironmonger 2
Ann Ironmonger 12
Eliza Ironmonger 10
Martha Ironmonger 8
Mary Ironmonger 6
Maria Ironmonger 5


Looks promising age different though...but she may have lied to get married?

Hi

Many thanks to Ann and Jax for their help.

Jax.. looking at the certificate it could be Ann Turner formerly Ironmonger. Lincolnshire just across the water from Hull. 1846 roughly the time their firest child born around

parents:James Travis
spouse:John Turner

groom's name: John Turner
bride's name: Ann Aldham
marriage date: 26 Oct 1846
marriage place: Epworth, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: Benjamin Turner
bride's father's name: James Travis
bride's marital status: Widowed
indexing project (batch) number: M02814-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542186

And many thanks to Kathleen, sorry typing as your reply came in

Cheers
Mark

well I've just been through a shedload of marriages of Ann's in Lincolnshire in the likely dates - crumbs - so many of them - have gone through a thousand and my hand has gone numb!! I can't believe how many Ann's married in Lincolnshire around that time - 9,523!!!

Following on from Jax a possible ???

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ANN IRONMONGER Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 OCT 1826 Alford, Lincoln, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH IRONMONGER Family
Mother: JANE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C011152 1813 - 1836 0421886 Film 6907381 Film

Parents names are the same on the 1841 census...strange they would say she was 12 when she was 15 ish ?? they did'nt round down childrens ages

jax

The 1846 marriage took place at St Mary's in Hull ( per Yorkshirebmd site). I am going to the Hull LDS library on Tuesday - if you would like me to see if they have a film of the parish register, please let me know.

Best wishes

Kim in Hull

I've not been to the local archives as yet but will not forget to look for that marriage for you but I have a couple of snippets you might find interesting. I've started a genealogy course and during the first session it emerged that Hull in the mid-nineteenth century had a reputation as being a kind of Gretna Green, particularly for folks from Lincolnshire who wanted to marry without their families knowing - this was from a letter by a registrar to the Daily News. I wondered if it might apply to your couple.

The second thing is that while I was looking for the full reference to the above story, I came across a collection of extracts - mainly BMD announcements - from newspapers on the Lincs FHS site www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk
included was this:
Lincoln, Rutland & Stamford Mercury 8 September 1815
"On Friday last at Alford Mrs Iremonger, advanced in years, Relict of Mr William Iremonger, grazier, who left his residence on horseback nearly twenty years ago and has not since been heard of, he is supposed to have been murdered."

Likely related to your Miss Ironmonger. Intriguing story, eh?

Best wishes

Kim in scorching Hull