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Help is needed as I am completely stuck with tracing my great grandfathers birth - I cant seem to find him anywhere - any help would be greatly appreciated. He was born somewhere between 1887 and 1889 around Custom House area in London. His father was called Shadrack Page but not 100% on his mother which is why I need the birth certificate as Shadrack seems to have married 2 sisters which is confusing to say the least.

Could he be the illegitimate son?
Names of sisters, please?

Sara
Have you found them on any census? Do you know where and when (approx) Shadrack was born? If he did marry two sisters, he was a bit naughty as it was illegal!

A very quick look on Ancestry hasn't yielded anything as yet but any further info you have may help.

Best wishes

Kim, Hull

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1891 England Census
Shadrack Page
Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head Gender: Male married
Where born: Didnot, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 1317 Folio: 98 Page Number: 49

Shadrack Page 29
Henry Page 12
Shadrack Page 10
Frederick Page 7

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1317; Folio 98; Page 49; GSU roll: 6096427.

1881 England Census
Shadrach Page
Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Lodger Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Page
Gender: Male Where born: Didcot, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Harmmersmith County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Ridgeley Road Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Piece: 64 Folio: 102 Page Number: 40

Charles Brown 30
Brudenelle Brown 33
James Weston 25
Robert Pritchard 19
James Higgs 26
Mary Higgs 20
Shadrach Page 19
Elizabeth Page 20
Harry Page 3

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 64; Folio: 102; Page: 40; GSU roll: 1341014.

Marriages Mar 1901
Back John Richard W. Ham 4a 168
xxx LAMBOURNE Jane W. Ham 4a 168
xxx Page Shadrack W. Ham 4a 168
WILD Letitia W. Ham 4a 168

1901 England Census
William Page
Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Son
Father's Name: Shadrach Page Mother's Name: Jane Page
Gender: Male Where born: Custom Hse, Essex, England
Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 270 Piece: 1580 Folio: 76 Page Number: 47

Shadrach Page 38
Jane Page 29
William Page 12
Samuel Page 10
Leah Page 8
John Page 4
Sarah Woodhouse 71

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1580; Folio: 76; Page: 47.

In 1891, William is in Eynsham, Oxon at grandparental home (the Lambournes). Also present are Sarah E Page, 30, married daughter/visitor and children Mary Ann, 6 yrs, William, 4yrs and Samuel, 3mo. All children born Victoria Dock, London

Any idea which registration district Victoria Dock comes under?

I wonder whether her "Sunday name" was Sarah but she went as "Elizabeth", possibly her middle name?

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Births Dec 1888
LAMBOURN William Fulham 1a 187

I've just checked the marriage index on FMP and can't find any marriage between Page & Lambourne between 1875 and 1888

Patchem, assuming it's the Royal Victoria Dock, it's in Woolwich. Military connection, maybe?

Kim

wikipedia:
Custom House is an area in the London Borough of Newham in London, England.
The area is named after the Custom House of Royal Victoria Dock.

1871 England Census
Shadrac Page
Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Didcot, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Compton Beauchamp
County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration district: Faringdon Sub-registration district: Shrivenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 1257 Folio: 86

Edwin Butler 35
Shadrac Page 9

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1257; Folio: 86; Page: 6; GSU roll: 827843.

I think this is your William's birth registration (Samuel also had the middle name Edwin):

William Edwin Lambourn registered in Greenwich Oct-Dec 1887 vol 1D pg 993

I've tried looking for Jane Lambourn(e) born Eynsham Oxfordshire about 1871 but she appears only on the 1891 census - a domestic servant to a clergyman in St Pancras. The only Jane Lambournes whose births were registered around that time were in Berkshire and Hampshire.

According to the 1881 census, the Lambournes had a daughter named Jane born about 1875.

I think you need to order William's birth certificate and the 1901 marriage certificate to try and clarify the matter. It certainly appears that Shadrack and Mary E were not married and therefore his marriage to Jane would not have been illegal.

Best wishes
Kim

Hello Sara and welcome to the boards.

It may be worth putting the name Shadrack Page into the Search Trees box above (in the dark green bar), as several members on this site have that name in their tree. There are also some under the spelling of ShadracH - but they are too early to be yours.

If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Cx.

WOW!! Thank you Kim and Patchem for the fantastic help you have both given me.
It was the 1881 census that threw me because Shadrack had Elizabeth as his wife but she was born in Staffordshire. Then on the 1891 census he was still married but there was no wife listed. I thought Id found her listed as Sarah E in Eynsham with her parents (as Williams name is William Lambourn Page on his marriage certificate) but by 1901 Shadrach is married to Jane.
Like you Kim, I cant find any marriage between Shadrack and either Sarah or Elizabeth. Also, I think Shadrach himself was illegitimate as there is only his mothers name on his birth certificate but she later married Edwin Butler so that would explain the name there.

I will be ordering the certificates suggested and fingers crossed I hit lucky. Again, thank you both for the help Sx


Cynthia, thank you for all your help for this newbie - it was very much appreciated (and needed) x

BTW Kim,

Can you explain why it would've been illegal for him to marry 2 sisters? Did you mean if it was just at the same time or because they were sisters?

Sx

Hi Sara
Until an act of parliament of 1907 a marriage with a sibling of a dead spouse would have been considered incestuous. Wealthy catholics may have been able to get (on payment) a dispensation from the Pope.

Henry VIII's first wife, Katharine of Aragon, was previously married to his brother. When Henry's eye alighted upon Ann Boleyn, one of the arguments used for the annulment of his first marriage was that it was illegal anyway. At least Katharine kept her head!

Best wishes

Kim

Looks like I might have been barking up the wrong tree with Sarah Lambourn being Williams mother. If anyone can help find a marriage between Shadrack (born in Didcot, Berks) and Elizabeth (born in Dudley Port, Staffs) sometime around 1877-1881 I would very much appreciate it.

Sara