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Thanks for looking again Janey, it was after 11pm here and I had been up since 5am so had gone to bed.

I wondered the same if she just used the name and had not really married, I had even checked to see if I could find a marriage for a William Conroy to either an Ann or Teresa or combination of those names at the right time couldn't find one.

Shame the one you posted in Staffordshire wasn't the right one because it would have fitted nicely with the catholic side of the family and people being nuns.

Looks like this could be one of the unanswered questions.

What's the chance?


1881

Name: Teresa Corney
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Boarder
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Condition as to marriage: unmarried
Occupation: Income From Dividend

Civil parish: Colwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Stafford
Street Address: Haywood Rd (Mount Priory)


... She was in Staffordshire in 1891 ...

but no ... also in the household with same details is

Name: Winifred Corney
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Boarder
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Hang on, Chrisa posted this:


1891 England Census
about Ann Conroy
Name: Ann Conroy
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Servant
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Folkestone



Hold on, I'm just hopelessly confused. I'm looking at Ann "Terence" and Geo Peter Robinson in 1891.

The ATP who married Robinson is not the ATP who became Conroy.

I wish we'd just left that other one out of this thread!


So we have Ann Teresa Phillipson 1828 missing in 1871 and 1881 and turning up as Conroy in 1891 and shown as married, and allegedly the widow of William Conroy when she dies in 1910.

One suspects a partnership without marriage, since by 1861 both she and Conroy would have been over 30 and there's a good chance he had been previously married ...

Re-read indeed. ;)

Staffslass, do you have the Phillipson-Robinson marriage certificate?

I think you need it. There's a reasonable chance they were cohabiting in 1881 and it would be very useful to have George's personal details from the certificate -- age, father's name, occupation -- and any addresses on it.

Then we could find him before the marriage and look for him after.

There's no death of a George Peter Robinson in the GRO index up to when he would have been an advanced age. And the 1877 marriage is his first appearance in the indexes, i.e. no previous marriage.

I wonder whether he might have been from Canada or some such? Do we know why the daughter ended up in BC?

Sorry if you have to re-read this thread.

Could I still ask for help finding Ann Teresa Conroy (1828 maiden name Phillipson) in the 1871 and 1881 census and also a marriage for her I still can't seem to find her. I did wonder if she may have been somewhere in Ireland as all the Conroys I have found seem to have come from there.

I have today received her death cert states as follows:

Date of Death: 11th April 1910
Age: 82
Occupation: widow of William Conroy a wood turner.
Informant: A. F. Phillipson

The informant is the person she is living with on the 1901 census.

Thank you for taking the time to look.

That was the one I found but I don't have access to incoming passengers.

Now going to see if I can find out who they were visiting, plenty of siblings to choose from.

This is them leaving UK again a few months later


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Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Mr James PHILLIPSON
Date of departure: 10 September 1937
Port of departure: Southampton
Destination port: Brisbane
Destination country: Australia
Date of Birth: 1885 (calculated from age)
Age: 52
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 14
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mrs Alice PHILLIPSON
Ship: MORETON BAY
Official Number:
Master's name: W J Williams
Steamship Line: Aberdeen And Commonwealth Line
Where bound: Australia
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage: 473

Thank you very much Chrisa they were over for a visit then.

Their proposed address is 88 Adderley Road Birmingham & their last permanent place of residence is Australia.

Name: James Phillipson
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 52
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 3 May 1937
Port of Arrival: Hull, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Newcastle]
[Sydney]
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
Ship Name: Jervis Bay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Jervis Bay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 150187

Traveling with wife Alice.

Hi,

I didn't want to start a new thread for just one question as the surname is the same.

I have found Mr James (1885) and Mrs Alice (1883) Phillipson leaving Southampton for Brisbane Australia in 1937 their last UK address was 88 Adderley Road could anyone find a record for them entering the UK. There address in Australia may have been Hoskins Street, Sandgate as this is their address in 1934.

Thank you very much.

Janey,

This is where the confusion lies there is at least one Abraham per generation.

The Ann born 1828 in Boreham is the aunt of the one born in Market Weighton.

The one born in 1828 in Boreham, Essex is the one I still can't find on some censuses, on the 1901 she is with Abraham Phillipson in Walsall this Abraham is the brother of the other Ann.

In your last posting of a census the Phillipsons are the correct ones that Abraham mentioned is the one in Walsall in 1901 and is my Gt Gt Gt Grandad.

Not sure if this has made it more confusing or not.

Sorry I forgot to add that I do think it is her in 1861 but where I found it she is the only person living at that address so am just going to go and look at the original.

Nope -- this is the Chelmsford one in 1861:

Name: Ann T Phillipson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Robert Phillipson
Mother's name: Louisa Phillipson
Where born: Boreham, Essex, England
Civil parish: Boreham


And this is the Market Weighton one:

Name: Ann T Phillipson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sancton and Houghton
Registration district: Pocklington
County/Island: Yorkshire

Ann Phillipson 39 - servant
Ann T Phillipson 7 - visitor
Abraham F Phillipson 4 - visitor
Henry J Phillipson 2 - visitor
(in a larger household)

Name: Ann Phillipson
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Servant-
-- married
Where born: Margate, Kent, England


Argh!

The name Abraham certainly stands out, but is this or isn't it the ATP from Boreham??

She looks more like a sister-in-law maybe ...

Births Sep 1880 ?
Robinson Catherine Mary Teesdale 10a 258


1891

Name: Catherine M Robinson
[Ann Terence Robinson]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Geo Peter Robinson
Mother's name: Ann Terence Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Lartington, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Lartington
Registration district: Teesdale
County/Island: Yorkshire

Geo Peter Robinson 56
Ann Terence Robinson 37
John Joseph Robinson 12
Catherine M Robinson 10
Bernard Jos Robinson 8
Wilfred Jos Robinson 7
Harry Jos Robinson 4
Christine M Robinson 2
Cuthbert Jos Robinson 1


In December the Ancestry user who corrected the name, obviously confused about the process, posted:

Ann Terence Robinson rather than Catherine M Robinson
Terence should read TERESA

Name: Ann Terence Robinson
[User-Submitted-Comment]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Geo Peter Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England

The comment is:

Ann Terence Robinson rather than Ann Terence Robinson
Terence should read Teresa as on the 1911 census


So ... this person is the mother of Catherine Mary Robinson who married in BC and is not the Ann Teresa Phillipson from Essex, who is a generation older.

Is this person a daughter of ATP from Essex then, is the idea?


Births Jun 1857 ??
Phillipson Ann Teresa Chelmsford 4a 150

I'm a bit confused. ;)

The Catherine Mary Robinson who married in BC in 1912 is the daughter of

Marriages Sep 1877
PHILLIPSON Ann Teresa Pocklington 9d 119
ROBINSON George Peter Pocklington 9d 119

Who are the two people with the same name?


Do you not think that the 1861 census that you posted

PHILLIPSON, Ann Jessica Head Unmarried F 33 1828
Assistant In Tobacco Shop
born in Boreham Essex

is your person?

The original image rules, rather than any site's transcription. Here is what Ancestry has:

Name: Ann Teressa Phillipson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Boreham, Essex, England
Civil parish: Chelsea

and the image does indeed say Teressa or Teresia. And it actually says (I think) "Sister to Head" -- Ancestry has hived her off from her household in its transcription; the Head is John Grove, aged 54. Which leaves me more confused. ;)

Hi,

Just to let anyone know who looks at this I have now realised that I am searching for two different people with the same name and both related.

The one that married in Canada I have found that family in all censuses.

I am still looking for Ann Teresa Phillipson (or Conroy) born 1828 in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census and for a marriage for her. I still believe she is the one posted in the 1841, 1851, 1891 and 1901 censuses above.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

I have to log off now but if I find anything else next time I've got five minutes I'll post it for you.

Chrisa

That's brilliant that certainly seems like them and the brides birthplace would make sense as that is in the area where I think her parents married.

Just got to try and find them in 1881 now maybe they were in Canada.

Thank you so much.

Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1912
Marriage Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Groom's Name: Arthur James Dunnett
Groom's Age: 35
Groom's Birth Date: 1877
Groom's Birthplace: Uttoxeter, England
Groom's Marital Status: Bachelor
Groom's Residence:
Groom's Father's Name: Charles James Dunnett
Groom's Mother's Name: Mary Wood
Bride's Name: Catherine Mary Robinson
Bride's Age: 32
Bride's Birth Date: 1880
Bride's Birthplace: Darlington, England
Bride's Marital Status: Spinster
Bride's Residence:
Bride's Father's Name: George Peter Robinson<<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's Mother's Name: Anne Teresa Phillipson<<<<<<<<<<<<
Film Number: 1983704
Digital Folder Number: 4401575
Image Number: 1895
BC Archives Film Number: B11376
Registration Number: 1909
Banns or License: License

???

1891 England Census
about Ann Conroy
Name: Ann Conroy
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Folkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 750
Folio: 123
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice M Hunt 34
Eustace A Mortimold 16
Gerard A Dale 20
Seymour Hart 48
Mary A Phillipson 68 <<<<< also a maid. Unmarried, born Essex.
Ann Conroy 63
Eliza Pegden 21
Emily Stanger 17
Emma Stroud 66