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22 Apr 2011 15:31 |
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I have looked in the usual places to try and find her in some censuses and BMDs. I would be very grateful if anyone could find her on the 1871 and 1881 census as I can't see her. This is what I have:
1841 census transcription details for: New Hall Nunnery, Boreham
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 325 Book/Folio: 27 Page: 18
Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Great Waltham Parish: Boreham Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: New Hall Nunnery, Boreham County: Essex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born PHILLIPSON, Abrem M 45 1796 Essex PHILLIPSON, Joseph M 20 1821 Essex PHILLIPSON, James M 12 1829 Essex PHILLIPSON, John M 7 1834 Essex PHILLIPSON, Robert M 4 1837 PHILLIPSON, Mary F 48 1793 DAVIS, Hannah F 35 1806 Essex PHILLIPSON, Ann F 13 1828 Essex <<<<<<<<<
1851 census transcription details for: Slate Houses, Boreham
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1776 Folio: 352 Page: 11
Reg. District: Chelmsford Sub District: Great Waltham Parish: Boreham Enum. District: 8A Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Slate Houses, Boreham County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PHILLIPSON, Abraham Head Married M 57 1794 Carpenter Ingrave Essex PHILLIPSON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 53 1798 Arundel Sussex PHILLIPSON, Joseph Son Unmarried M 30 1821 Gardener Boreham Essex PHILLIPSON, Ann T Daughter Unmarried F 23 1828 Needle Woman <<<<<<<<<< Boreham Essex PHILLIPSON, John F Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Turner Boreham Essex PHILLIPSON, Robert Son M 14 1837 Boreham Essex
I believe this is her in 1861
1861 census transcription details for: 6, Bloyard Place, Chelsea
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 35 Folio: 78 Page: 9
Reg. District: Chelsea Sub District: 2 Chelsea North-West Parish: Chelsea Enum. District: 17 Ecclesiastical District: St Luke City/Municipal Borough: Address: 6, Bloyard Place, Chelsea County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PHILLIPSON, Ann Jessica Head Unmarried F 33 1828 Assistant In Tobacco Shop Boreham Essex
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22 Apr 2011 15:36 |
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This I believe is her in 1901 and I have looked at the original and the surname looks like Conroy
901 census transcription details for: Whetstone Lane, Aldridge
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 2705 Folio: 11 Page: 13
Reg. District: Walsall Sub District: Aldridge Parish: Aldridge Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough: Address: Whetstone Lane, Aldridge County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PHILLIPSON, Abraham F Head Widower M 44 1857 Nurseryman Market Weighton Yorkshire COURSY, Ann T Aunt Widow F 73 1828 Housekeeper Domestic Boreham Essex PHILLIPSON, Hilda M Daughter Single F 17 1884 Nursery Assistant Sutton Coldfield Warwickshire PHILLIPSON, James A Son M 16 1885 Gardener Not Domestic Sutton Coldfield Warwickshire PHILLIPSON, Joseph Son M 14 1887 Gardener Not Domestic Handsworth Staffordshire PHILLIPSON, Ann Daughter F 14 1887 Handsworth Staffordshire PHILLIPSON, Clara Daughter F 10 1891 Handsworth Staffordshire PHILLIPSON, Abraham Son M 9 1892 Handsworth Staffordshire
I have found what I think is her death
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1910 (>99%) CONROY Ann Teresa 82 Walsall 6b 384
I found a marriage also in 1877 but can't find her under any name in census.
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%) Finnie Andrew Pocklington 9d 119 PHILLIPSON Ann Teresa Pocklington 9d 119 ROBINSON George Peter Pocklington 9d 119 SMITH Margaret Mary Pocklington 9d 119
I think she married the Robinson as I can find a couple with the same as the other two on the marriage list names in the right area in 1881.
Many thanks
Sal
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22 Apr 2011 15:38 |
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Ann Phillipson England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1828 — Essex christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 1841 — Boreham, Essex, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1841 name: Ann Phillipson event: Census event date: 1841 gender: Female age: 13 birthplace: Essex record type: Household registration district: Chelmsford sub-district: Great Waltham civil parish: Boreham county: Essex
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22 Apr 2011 15:40 |
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Robert Phillipson England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1837 christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 1841 — Boreham, Essex, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1841 name: Robert Phillipson event: Census event date: 1841 gender: Male age: 4 record type: Household registration district: Chelmsford sub-district: Great Waltham civil parish: Boreham county: Essex
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Staffslass
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22 Apr 2011 15:41 |
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Yes they are the correct people. Thank you .
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chrisa
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22 Apr 2011 15:47 |
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???
1891 England Census about Ann Conroy Name: Ann Conroy Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Essex, England Civil parish: Folkestone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Folkestone County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Elham Sub-registration district: Folkestone ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 750 Folio: 123 Page Number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Alice M Hunt 34 Eustace A Mortimold 16 Gerard A Dale 20 Seymour Hart 48 Mary A Phillipson 68 <<<<< also a maid. Unmarried, born Essex. Ann Conroy 63 Eliza Pegden 21 Emily Stanger 17 Emma Stroud 66
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chrisa
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22 Apr 2011 15:56 |
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Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1912 Marriage Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Groom's Name: Arthur James Dunnett Groom's Age: 35 Groom's Birth Date: 1877 Groom's Birthplace: Uttoxeter, England Groom's Marital Status: Bachelor Groom's Residence: Groom's Father's Name: Charles James Dunnett Groom's Mother's Name: Mary Wood Bride's Name: Catherine Mary Robinson Bride's Age: 32 Bride's Birth Date: 1880 Bride's Birthplace: Darlington, England Bride's Marital Status: Spinster Bride's Residence: Bride's Father's Name: George Peter Robinson<<<<<<<<<<< Bride's Mother's Name: Anne Teresa Phillipson<<<<<<<<<<<< Film Number: 1983704 Digital Folder Number: 4401575 Image Number: 1895 BC Archives Film Number: B11376 Registration Number: 1909 Banns or License: License
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22 Apr 2011 16:05 |
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Chrisa
That's brilliant that certainly seems like them and the brides birthplace would make sense as that is in the area where I think her parents married.
Just got to try and find them in 1881 now maybe they were in Canada.
Thank you so much.
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chrisa
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22 Apr 2011 16:11 |
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You're welcome.
I have to log off now but if I find anything else next time I've got five minutes I'll post it for you.
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23 Apr 2011 08:53 |
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Hi,
Just to let anyone know who looks at this I have now realised that I am searching for two different people with the same name and both related.
The one that married in Canada I have found that family in all censuses.
I am still looking for Ann Teresa Phillipson (or Conroy) born 1828 in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census and for a marriage for her. I still believe she is the one posted in the 1841, 1851, 1891 and 1901 censuses above.
Thank you.
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JaneyCanuck
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23 Apr 2011 09:40 |
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I'm a bit confused. ;)
The Catherine Mary Robinson who married in BC in 1912 is the daughter of
Marriages Sep 1877 PHILLIPSON Ann Teresa Pocklington 9d 119 ROBINSON George Peter Pocklington 9d 119
Who are the two people with the same name?
Do you not think that the 1861 census that you posted
PHILLIPSON, Ann Jessica Head Unmarried F 33 1828 Assistant In Tobacco Shop born in Boreham Essex
is your person?
The original image rules, rather than any site's transcription. Here is what Ancestry has:
Name: Ann Teressa Phillipson Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Boreham, Essex, England Civil parish: Chelsea
and the image does indeed say Teressa or Teresia. And it actually says (I think) "Sister to Head" -- Ancestry has hived her off from her household in its transcription; the Head is John Grove, aged 54. Which leaves me more confused. ;)
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23 Apr 2011 09:51 |
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Births Sep 1880 ? Robinson Catherine Mary Teesdale 10a 258
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Name: Catherine M Robinson [Ann Terence Robinson] Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Geo Peter Robinson Mother's name: Ann Terence Robinson Gender: Female Where born: Lartington, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Lartington Registration district: Teesdale County/Island: Yorkshire
Geo Peter Robinson 56 Ann Terence Robinson 37 John Joseph Robinson 12 Catherine M Robinson 10 Bernard Jos Robinson 8 Wilfred Jos Robinson 7 Harry Jos Robinson 4 Christine M Robinson 2 Cuthbert Jos Robinson 1
In December the Ancestry user who corrected the name, obviously confused about the process, posted:
Ann Terence Robinson rather than Catherine M Robinson Terence should read TERESA
Name: Ann Terence Robinson [User-Submitted-Comment] Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Geo Peter Robinson Gender: Female Where born: Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England
The comment is:
Ann Terence Robinson rather than Ann Terence Robinson Terence should read Teresa as on the 1911 census
So ... this person is the mother of Catherine Mary Robinson who married in BC and is not the Ann Teresa Phillipson from Essex, who is a generation older.
Is this person a daughter of ATP from Essex then, is the idea?
Births Jun 1857 ?? Phillipson Ann Teresa Chelmsford 4a 150
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23 Apr 2011 10:02 |
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Nope -- this is the Chelmsford one in 1861:
Name: Ann T Phillipson Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Robert Phillipson Mother's name: Louisa Phillipson Where born: Boreham, Essex, England Civil parish: Boreham
And this is the Market Weighton one:
Name: Ann T Phillipson Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sancton and Houghton Registration district: Pocklington County/Island: Yorkshire
Ann Phillipson 39 - servant Ann T Phillipson 7 - visitor Abraham F Phillipson 4 - visitor Henry J Phillipson 2 - visitor (in a larger household)
Name: Ann Phillipson Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Servant- -- married Where born: Margate, Kent, England
Argh!
The name Abraham certainly stands out, but is this or isn't it the ATP from Boreham??
She looks more like a sister-in-law maybe ...
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23 Apr 2011 11:31 |
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Janey,
This is where the confusion lies there is at least one Abraham per generation.
The Ann born 1828 in Boreham is the aunt of the one born in Market Weighton.
The one born in 1828 in Boreham, Essex is the one I still can't find on some censuses, on the 1901 she is with Abraham Phillipson in Walsall this Abraham is the brother of the other Ann.
In your last posting of a census the Phillipsons are the correct ones that Abraham mentioned is the one in Walsall in 1901 and is my Gt Gt Gt Grandad.
Not sure if this has made it more confusing or not.
Sorry I forgot to add that I do think it is her in 1861 but where I found it she is the only person living at that address so am just going to go and look at the original.
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25 Apr 2011 10:00 |
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Hi,
I didn't want to start a new thread for just one question as the surname is the same.
I have found Mr James (1885) and Mrs Alice (1883) Phillipson leaving Southampton for Brisbane Australia in 1937 their last UK address was 88 Adderley Road could anyone find a record for them entering the UK. There address in Australia may have been Hoskins Street, Sandgate as this is their address in 1934.
Thank you very much.
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chrisa
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25 Apr 2011 10:55 |
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Name: James Phillipson Birth Date: abt 1885 Age: 52 Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date: 3 May 1937 Port of Arrival: Hull, England Ports of Voyage: Brisbane [Newcastle] [Sydney] [Hobart] [Melbourne] [Adelaide] [Colombo] Ship Name: Jervis Bay Search Ship Database: View the 'Jervis Bay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line Official Number: 150187
Traveling with wife Alice.
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chrisa
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25 Apr 2011 10:58 |
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Their proposed address is 88 Adderley Road Birmingham & their last permanent place of residence is Australia.
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25 Apr 2011 11:00 |
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Thank you very much Chrisa they were over for a visit then.
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chrisa
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25 Apr 2011 11:02 |
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This is them leaving UK again a few months later
FindMyPast - The new 1837online.com Print this page Close Window Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Name: Mr James PHILLIPSON Date of departure: 10 September 1937 Port of departure: Southampton Destination port: Brisbane Destination country: Australia Date of Birth: 1885 (calculated from age) Age: 52 Marital Status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Retired Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 14 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Mrs Alice PHILLIPSON Ship: MORETON BAY Official Number: Master's name: W J Williams Steamship Line: Aberdeen And Commonwealth Line Where bound: Australia Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: 473
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25 Apr 2011 11:08 |
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That was the one I found but I don't have access to incoming passengers.
Now going to see if I can find out who they were visiting, plenty of siblings to choose from.
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