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Hi,
Myself and another member think that our families are linked but not sure. They come from the same area.
Try as I may, I cannot get any further back than John Mountain c1817 born New Leake, Lincs. We have him married to Elizabeth Hubbert.
Mt gr gr grandad has 'Holland' as his middle name and as it is unusual we think it is taken from someones surname, ie grandmothers maiden name etc.

I have found his birth which shows his parents as John Mountain and Eliz (no surname)
I have found a marriage of a john Mounton and an Elizabeth Holland in Stamford, Lincs in 1788, but this is not near to where the family come from and the spelling is slightly different.
I have no details of siblings for John 1817 and cannot get any further back to check out details.
The other member who I am trying to find a link with also has a Mary Holland marrying a Mountain, but this is back in 1715.
Any help would be great.

Cheryl

Do all the censuses show him as born in New Leake?
Thanks

Sorry it is my gr gr grandad George Holland Mountain 1859 who was born in Leake.
John Mountain was born in Hagnaby, Lincolnshire. I have found his baptism for December 1916. This shows his (John's) parents as John and Elizabeth.
I don't have a subcription where I can look at census, at the moment.
There are several John Mountains born around the same time , in the same area. We think they are all related, but are trying to unravel.

Thanks

Birth:
Births Sep 1858
Mountain George Holland Boston 7a 319

George H in 1861 census is George Henry in 1871, so
1861 England Census
George Mountain Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mountain Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mountain Gender: Male Where born: Leake, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Freiston Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
Occupation: ground keeper Registration district: Boston Sub-registration district: Bennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 18 household schedule number: 57
John Mountain 43 Hornsby
Elizabeth Mountain 37 Sibsby
John Mountain 4 Stickford
George Mountain 2
Henry Mountain 1 Freiston
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2333; Folio: 82; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542955.

I have also found births of siblings of John 1817 (Joseph c1813 and William c1820), so think the marriage I found is unlikely as the parents would be getting on for the births. If they got married in 1788 why were children born 1813 - 1820

I think that without having access to all the censuses you are going to get very confused, because, as you said, there are several around.

Hi Patricia,
It is definately Holland as I have a copy of his sons birth cert that was bought in 1924.

Sorry Irene,wrong family.
John 1817 was an ag Lab and his son George Holland was a butcher.

1861 Census

Have deleted the other one - How about this - only two recorded on FMP



MOUNTAIN, John Head Married M 43 1818 Ground Keeper
Hornsby
Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 37 1824 Ground Keeper Wife
Sibsey
Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, John Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Stickford
Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, George Son M 2 1859
Leake
Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Henery Son M 1 1860
Freiston
Lincolnshire


Edit Sorry Patricia -

John, 1816, Joseph, 1820, William 1813, and Thomas, 1815, born in Hagnaby to John and Elizabeth Mountain.
No obvious marriage for parents showing.

Thanks Irene, yes that is them.

Patricia - thanks for that, I hadn't found William. I don't even know Elizabeths surname. I could not find a marriage, only the one at Stamford, which seemed too early and too far away.

Marriages Jun 1856
BALES George Boston 7a 587
BATES George Boston 7a 587
Damms Elizabeth Boston 7a 587
HUBBERT Elizabeth Boston 7a 587
MOUNTAIN John Boston 7a 587

These are on Freebmd -- unfortunately both men wed an Elizabeth

In 1841 Joseph is married with a family, Thomas has no apparent wife but Jabez, 2, with him, John is with others, and I cannot see William.
So unfortunately none still with parents to get some idea of age.

Not sure if relevant -

There is a marriage for John - on FreeBMD in June 1844 to an Elizabeth Troy - and as Patricia says there are 2 entries for John in 1841 - both lodging with others

Just a thougth

Thank you both.
I know that John c1817 married Elizabeth Hubbert, so one of the marriages is correct.

The 1817 census print out that I have for John shows him lodging with William Phillips and Richard Johnson - civil parish - Bilsby.

I know his parents are also called John and Elizabeth but like you I cannot get any further back. Why did he have to leave home. lol

Do you think the marriage I found for 1788 is too early.
There is another option for the middle name 'Holland' of my gr gr grandad, and that is that there is an area in Lincolnshire called Holland district. Do you think that may be an option and that I am barking up the wrong tree.

There is this William - 1841 census - allowing for the birth date roundings in 1841 - iy is a possible

MOUNTAIN, William M 30 1811 Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Mary F 25 1816 Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Rebecca F 4 1837 Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Lincolnshire
MOUNTAIN, Susanna F 0 (8 months) 1841 Lincolnshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Olydia F 20 1821 Lincolnshire

MOUNTAIN, William
Address: Anderby, Anderby registration district Spilsby

Have you looked for Deaths - his parents - may show an estimated age

Also the 1817 census printout you have - is that 1841 census

Because if it is there are two John Mountains - both lodgers - would you like the other one

Irene

Yes Irene, it is the 1841 census and and I would like to see the other please.

CROSS, Charles M 45 1796
CROSS, Dorothy F 50 1791 Lincolnshire VIEW
CROSS, Silas M 7 1834 Lincolnshire
TOWNSEND, Rebecca F 15 1826 Lincolnshire
VEAR, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Lincolnshire

MOUNTAIN, John M 25 1816 Lincolnshire

DRAPE, Isaac M 25 1816 Lincolnshire


Person: MOUNTAIN, John
Address: Bridge Street, Alford reg district Spilsby

On the one you have - occupation is given as Ag Lab -

this one is Charles Cross (Head) is a publican - and John is a --" Asst" ????? not sure "Clerk"

Irene

Thank you very much for your help.

Cheryl