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I would like to know who else is on the record with Ida Colyer in Kingston, Surrey. She was born about 1888. Many thanks!

Possibility

COOPER, Mary Head Widow F 66 1845 Guildford
COOPER, Sidney Son Married 5 years M 25 1886 Law Clerk Guildford
COOPER, Annie Daughter In Law Married 5 years F 20 1891 Fulham
COOPER, Frederick Single M 28 1883 Carpet Planner Guildford
COLYER, Ida Visitor Married5 years F 23 1888 Fulham

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RG number:RG14 Piece:3496
Reference:RG14PN3496 RG78PN130 RD40 SD1 ED34 SN80

Registration District:Kingston
Sub District:Wimbledon Enumeration District:34 Parish:Wimbledon

Address:
59 Ashcombe Road Wimbledon
County:Surrey

Thanks so much, that was fast! I'm sure that's her because she was born in Fulham. She was married to a Frank Colyer, but I don't know anything about him and this only adds to the mystery. I thought this might shed light on whether there were children, but apparently not. Thanks again so much!

Possible marriage for Ida

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
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COLYER Frank Kingston 2a 598
SARA Ida Kingston 2a 598

Thanks. I just don't know what became of either of them in the long run, or whether they had children.

Hazel.

Frank in 1911

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COLYER, Frank Head Married M 26 1885 Grocer Kent Dover
COLYER, Ida Irene Daughter F 3 1908 Kent Blackheath
COLYER, Alfred Louis Son M 1 1910 Sussex Brighton
SARA, Fred Boarder Sing M 21 1890 Assistant Dairyman's Old Kent Rd London
JEROME, Ethel Servant Single F 18 1893 Servant Sussex Brighton

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RG number:RG14 Piece:5121
Reference:RG14PN5121 RG78PN227 RD79 SD2 ED1 SN444

Registration District:Brighton
Sub District:West Brighton
Enumeration District:1 Parish:Brighton

Address:
69 Harting Road Brighton
County:Sussex

3 children 2 living 1 died

Thanks - you've hit the jackpot! How did you find this? Ida's maiden name was Sara and she had a brother named Frederick, so this is them.

Also, I now realize that Annie Cooper is Ida's sister, Annie Sara.

So fantastic, thanks!

I found the marriage on

www.freebmd.org.uk

and the 1911 census on

www.findmypast.co.uk

which I have a subscription for.

I wondered how you were able to pinpoint Frank Colyer in 1911 as there were probably a few of them?

not that many. There was only 9. I just looked at them individually to see if I could find a possibility. Having Fred board with him was a godsend. I was just looking for Frank married for about 6 years but no wife living with him.

Well, having now plugged them into my family tree, I see that they all went to Australia! So thanks for providing me with the clues.

Name: Mrs Ida COLYER
Date of departure: 14 January 1914
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Married
Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 20





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Alfred L COLYER Page 16 of 20 View transcript
Irene COLYER Page 16 of 20 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
BERRIMA
135332
T J Hine
P. & O. Branch Service
Australia
16760
7037
548

Possible remarriage for Ida COLYER in 1930 in NSW to Henry O WILLIAMS (reg 8184).

Alfred L COLYER married Edith M LAWES in 1931 (reg 4393).
Irene I COLYER married Edward E CLARKE in 1931 (reg 971).

See www.bdm.nsw.gov.au

COLYER Alfred Louis Death notice 12MAY2001 [aged] 91, late of Camden
CLARKE Irene Ida Death notice 29APR1995 [aged] 87, late of Campbelltown

See www.ryersonindex.org

Thanks for the new info Jax & Cherilyn! I only just realized that people had added to the info.

I see an Emily Sara died in Australia in 1953 - can anybody see more details for that? I think she may have been Ida's mother.

Any children for Alfred or Irene?

Thanks so much,
Hazel.

When did Emily go to Australia?

could this be her?

Deaths Mar 1943 (99%)
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SARA Emily S 82 Uckfield 2b 210

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SARA, Emily
Address: 52 Gloucester Road Brighton

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SARA, Alfred Head Married M 41 1870 Provision Merchant Manager St Mews Cornwall VIEW
SARA, Emily Wife Married
24 years F 51 1860 London VIEW

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Deaths Jun 1937 (94%)
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Sara Alfred C 67 Edmonton 3a 791

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Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
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RADWELL Emily Edmonton 3a 480
Sara Alfred Collins Edmonton 3a 480
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Thanks Jax! I had thought perhaps Emily Sara went to Australia after the death of her husband in 1937 as I could see a 1953 Australia death for an Emily Sara but no details. I'm not sure about the Uckfield death. I was not aware that Emily had a middle name, and I could never find a birth for her (and all the census records had different dates of birth for her). But I suppose the Uckfield death is a possibility. Thanks!

Wondering if this is her birth when she married maybe she did'nt want to be called sarah sara?? just a thought

Name: Sarah Emily Radwell
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 161 (click to see others on page)

I found this could be them?

Name: Alfred SARA
Date of departure: 18 December 1914
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1869 (calculated from age)
Age: 45
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Grocer
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 23




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Emily went 10 years later !!!

Name: Emily SARA
Date of departure: 30 August 1924
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1860 (calculated from age)
Age: 64
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: H Wife
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 18




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Wow, that was a stroke of brilliance! I think that must be her as she was born in London. I think you've solved the mystery!

Do you remember when I asked you a few months ago about a Louisa Annie May Trowbridge who married a Charles Henry Preece and you couldn't find them on the 1911 census? (Well, you probably don't as you look up so many things.) But she was a half-sister of Emily Sara's husband Alfred Collins Sara. (He left a will by the way in 1937, so I suppose more details could be found in that.)

Well, I think I found her listed as Annie May Preece on a Canadian passenger list (Ancestry opened them up for free for a short while several weeks ago), with children Olive May and Henry Charles. But the record was so faint that I couldn't tell if she was married or a widow. They went to Nova Scotia in 1910 (before the census) and then disappeared after that. Any ideas? No sign of husband.

Oh, I just saw your other entries. Yes, I think Alfred and Emily went visiting the US, but Alfred definitely died in the UK.

You should turn professional, you're so good at this.
Hazel.

I have only had access to the passenger lists a couple of days just getting used to it

passenger transcript details
Name: Annie May PREECE
Date of departure: 23 November 1910
Port of departure: Bristol
Passenger destination port: Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination: Halifax, Canada

Date of Birth: 1881 (calculated from age)
Age: 29
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 13





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Henry Charles PREECE Page 1 of 13 View transcript
Olive May PREECE Page 1 of 13 View transcript