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I found my grandfathers death records below in this site but i cannot find his birth records matching the death records. My mother did not know much about her fathers family only that she heard my grandfathers mother died giving birth to my Grandfather and the rumour is he was born in Swansea but cannot find these records to be true. We would love to find out about my granfather side of the family.

Name Joseph William John
Year of Death 1986
Month of Death August
Registration District S Glamorgan
District Code 28
Registration Number 2046
Entry Number
Date of Birth 8-6-1918

Could he have William Joseph?

Name: William J John
Mother's Maiden Surname: Roch
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1918
Registration district: Pembroke
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2380

From freebmde??

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Joseph John A Mahon Camberwell 1d 1141

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Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Joseph John M Evans Llanelly 11a 2022

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Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
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Joseph John Belton Headington 3a 1280
Joseph John E Jones Neath 11a 1609

There are these births to the same couple - first ones look like twins - does that ring any bells?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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JOHN Albert G Roch Pembroke 11a 2320
JOHN Ronald T Roch Pembroke 11a 2319

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Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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John William J Roch Pembroke 11a 2380

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Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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John Howard S Roch Pembroke 11a 2737

I think the birth that rootgatherer has found is the most likely. People often switch around their first names, and this would be registered at the right time to match with the date of birth given on the death record.

Kath. x

wow fast reply!

I showed my mother this record she said his birthday was 100% in June so this cannot be him.

Thanks for your help.

Michelle - could be him as a June birth may not have been registered until the next quarter. The only way to find out would be to buy the certificate to get the exact date of birth.

A possible John / Roch marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
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John William A Roch Pembroke 11a 1853
Roch Martha J John Pembroke 11a 1853


And a possible death fior that Martha?

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
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John Martha J 45 Bridgend 11a 956

Do you have your grandfather's marriage certificate to check who his father was please?
Who did he marry please?

Yes you are so right his birth could of been registered in July, my mother swears her older brother insists he was born in swansea and his father was from peckham in London. We do not no if my grandfathers parents were married before he was born this is why i am finding it hard to buy a birth record i do not know which record to order. My mothers sister says when she was a very small child she remembers my grandfather taking her to London to meet his father.

Yes my grandfather married Olwen James in 1940 in cardiff. My nan is still alive she is 90 yrs old and has dementia and she had 9 children with Jo my grandfather.

Sorry i meant Olwen Davies later on my nan divorced Jo and married Charlie James hence why i wrote James instead of Davies

I also want to note my grandfather married again later on but i do not know the name of the person he married.

Sorry i meant Olwen Davies my nan remarried later on and became James. My grandfather remarried aswell but i do not know who he married.

From Ancestry

Name: Olwen Davies
Spouse Surname: John
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: ??34


From Freebmd - Joseph's entry to get the correct page number

Marriages Jun 1940 (94%)
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John Joseph W Davies Cardiff 11a 834


The marriage certificate will give Joseph's father's name and occupation.

There are a few possibles for Joseph's re-marriage depending upon the area.

Thank you very much for all your hard work i will have to get this record i pray his fathers name and occupation details are recorded. Since i have family in Wales can they go somewhere in Cardiff and buy this record over the counter?

Do you mean i need to look in the Freebmd to get a better record which includes the full page number?

Sorry for the confusion Michelle - Olwen's entry was blurred on Ancestry.co.uk so I looked on FreeBMD for joseph's entry. So this is the info you need to order the certificate

Marriages Jun 1940 (94%)
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John Joseph W Davies Cardiff
Volume number 11a
Page 834

Sorry - meant to say, if it is not too cheeky when you get the marriage certificate can you come back to your thread here and let us know his father's name - just to satisfy my curiosity!

area would be in Cardiff where my grandfather remarried.

Thanks so much, i live in London and have family in wales so does this mean they are the only ones who can buy the certificate?