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Yes Moses marriage to florence i found in this site, 1914 oct-nov-dec-qtr, try searching his name as MOSS not Moses to find him. My mother always knew him as Moss she was shocked when i told her his full name was Moses.

My nans birth date i will send to your inbox.

Thx xx

Not seeing a marriage for Moses and Florence at the moment. Do you know when they married please. Do you have Olwen's date of birth to look for a possible birth registration - I am not asking you to post it here as she is thankfully still with us.

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Thanks for info i will order it myself!

Yes sure i will keep you updated you have been great, how can i find this thread again in the future? i have my family tree aswell you are welcome to have a look round. Next i am trying to find my nan (Olwen) birth mother records i already found my nans father records his name was Moses Davies and Moss for short he was born 1888 up in north wales but i am having trouble finding his wife Florence May Thomas birth and death records who was born and married to Moss in Cardiff. But i really want to find my grandfather Jo records so much because hardly anyone knows anything about his life before he married my nan Olwen.

Sent a PM (look in your "inbox") with a possible re-marriage for Joseph.

You can order the certificate online from the GRO - cost £9.25

Here is a link

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Thanks so much, i live in London and have family in wales so does this mean they are the only ones who can buy the certificate?

area would be in Cardiff where my grandfather remarried.

Sorry - meant to say, if it is not too cheeky when you get the marriage certificate can you come back to your thread here and let us know his father's name - just to satisfy my curiosity!

Sorry for the confusion Michelle - Olwen's entry was blurred on Ancestry.co.uk so I looked on FreeBMD for joseph's entry. So this is the info you need to order the certificate

Marriages Jun 1940 (94%)
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John Joseph W Davies Cardiff
Volume number 11a
Page 834

Thank you very much for all your hard work i will have to get this record i pray his fathers name and occupation details are recorded. Since i have family in Wales can they go somewhere in Cardiff and buy this record over the counter?

Do you mean i need to look in the Freebmd to get a better record which includes the full page number?

There are a few possibles for Joseph's re-marriage depending upon the area.

From Ancestry

Name: Olwen Davies
Spouse Surname: John
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: ??34


From Freebmd - Joseph's entry to get the correct page number

Marriages Jun 1940 (94%)
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John Joseph W Davies Cardiff 11a 834


The marriage certificate will give Joseph's father's name and occupation.

Sorry i meant Olwen Davies my nan remarried later on and became James. My grandfather remarried aswell but i do not know who he married.

I also want to note my grandfather married again later on but i do not know the name of the person he married.

Yes my grandfather married Olwen James in 1940 in cardiff. My nan is still alive she is 90 yrs old and has dementia and she had 9 children with Jo my grandfather.

Sorry i meant Olwen Davies later on my nan divorced Jo and married Charlie James hence why i wrote James instead of Davies

Yes you are so right his birth could of been registered in July, my mother swears her older brother insists he was born in swansea and his father was from peckham in London. We do not no if my grandfathers parents were married before he was born this is why i am finding it hard to buy a birth record i do not know which record to order. My mothers sister says when she was a very small child she remembers my grandfather taking her to London to meet his father.

Do you have your grandfather's marriage certificate to check who his father was please?
Who did he marry please?

A possible John / Roch marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
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John William A Roch Pembroke 11a 1853
Roch Martha J John Pembroke 11a 1853


And a possible death fior that Martha?

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
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John Martha J 45 Bridgend 11a 956

Michelle - could be him as a June birth may not have been registered until the next quarter. The only way to find out would be to buy the certificate to get the exact date of birth.