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I really need some help with the names of my great grandmother Annie Buffey c1988 parents.
I have the 1911 census record which gives parents names as Thomas and Kate Buffey. I cant find a marriage for them and after finding a match in another tree i now have conflicting names for her father, which is William Buffey in the other tree, however mothers name is Katherine Rowan, which could be why Kate is on the 1911 census record.
Was wondering if someone could look Annie Buffey up on the 1901 and 1891 records along with siblings so that i can try to make some sense of it. Birth year 1888, birthplace Birmingham, Warwickshire. I would really appreciate any help. Thankyou in advance, Abi :O)

1901 England Census
about Annie Buffey
Name: Annie Buffey
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Buffey
Mother's Name: Katherine Buffey
Gender: Female
Where born: B'ham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Buffey 36
Katherine Buffey 34
Annie Buffey 13
Lena Buffey 11
Harry Buffey 7
Thomas Buffey 4

posting for reference -

1911

BUFFEY, Thomas Head Married M 47 1864 Brass Caster Birmingham CB VIEW
BUFFEY, Kate Wife Married
24 years F 43 1868 Birmingham CB VIEW
BUFFEY, Annie Daughter Single F 23 1888 General Hawker Birmingham CB VIEW
BUFFEY, Harry Son Single M 17 1894 Warehouse Man Birmingham CB VIEW
BUFFEY, Thomas Son Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy Birmingham CB VIEW
BUFFEY, Maud Daughter F 4 1907 Birmingham CB VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18093 Reference:
RG14PN18093 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED33 SN258

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
26 Court 1 Hatchett Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

possibly - Lena in 1901 could be Eleanor

1891

BRENNAN, Peter Head Married M 60 1831 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland VIEW
BRENNAN, Ann Wife Married F 53 1838 Hawker
Ireland VIEW
BUFFEY, Kate Daughter Married F 24 1867 Hawker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BUFFEY, Annie Granddaughter F 3 1888
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BUFFEY, Eleanor Granddaughter F 1 1890
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2385 Folio:
11 Page:
20

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Bartholomew

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Back 18 1 House, Masshouse Lane, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Thankyou for such a fast reply, some of the siblings names and mothers name match up but yet another name for father, i now have Thomas, William and Henry. In your expert opinion would you say these census records are for the same family and could anyone get hold of the earlier record 1891. Thanks again so much for the help :O)

Thanks to you all for helping so quick, the name Brennan does ring a bell and i know she was of irish descent. Still unsure of her fathers name with three to choose from, any ideas how i could get to the bottom of it? I will try searching marriages again with all 3 names and as many variations of Kate, Katherine and see what i find. If anyone has any tips or other help they can offer me i would be so grateful. Thanks again, Abi :O)

Annie Buffey's marriage certificate to your great grandfather should (Hopefully) give you her fathers name.

Incidentally apart from the 1911 census that you found which may or not be your great grandmother how else do you know where and when she was born? There is no record of a Ann(ie) Buffey birth being registered in Warwickshire, Worcestershire or Staffordshire between 1887~1889.

thankyou, i dont even know how i would get hold of it or how much it would cost. i am pretty new to this :O)

What was your great grandfathers name and have you any idea where or when they married?

Where and when was their first child born?

If we can identify their marriage a copy of the certificate can be obtained easily online for £9.25

Sorry for late reply, I did find the record of their marriage, Annie Buffey married John Ross in Birmingham, registered March 1915. So once i have found the record how do i go about ordering a copy of certificate?

Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)
Buffey Annie Ross Birmingham 6d 456
Ross John Buffey Birmingham 6d 456

Go to www.gro.gov.uk

You will need to register (Once only and free)

Complete the online order form including giving the Volume No 6d and page No 456.

You can pay via credit or debit card.

Brilliant, thanks for your help. I assume this would also be the same for birth and death certificates. Thankyou for your help :O)

Is this Annie's death registration? If it is and the correct information has been supplied by whoever registered her death then if gives you her actual birthdate,

Name: Annie Ross
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1888
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 1227

I still cannot see an Ann(ie) Buffey birth registration in England or Wales that matches however.

P.S. You are correct, the same info needs to be supplied to the GRO for birth or Death certificates.

Hi, no i havnt found a record of her birth, having said that, i cant find the birth of any one of the children listed on the census records, apart from Thomas possibly. Maybe the family didnt register the births or maybe i am not looking properly. Either way i can see this line of the family is going to be a nightmare to trace as they are definately of irish descent meaning it is likely i will just hit a brick wall. I think Annie Buffey has one surviving daughter, my nans sister so maybe i should try to get in touch with her if i have any chance in getting any further with this. Thankyou for all the help and i will be back when i have moved onto another name in my family tree.

Annie and John's children's birth registrations:

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Ross Catherine Buffey Birmingham 6d 484
Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Ross Harry Buffey Birmingham 6d 378
Births Jun 1927 (>99%)
Ross Laura J Buffey Birmingham N. 6d 696

There are a few more children, some are mispelt for example buffy or buffie. I think i have all of them now, Mary is my nan. Thankyou for looking.x

Assuming these records are for the same family, can anyone find out where Eleanor or Lena Buffey c1890 born Birmingham is in 1911 census as she is not with her family??

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1244190

Post re parents of Kate/Katherine Brennan Buffey.

Since she was called Lena in one census, perhaps she was Selina.

Births Mar 1890
Buffey Selina Mary Birmingham 6d 156

Marriages Mar 1911
Buffey Selina Aston 6d 283
Jinks Elizabeth Aston 6d 283
Jones Edward Aston 6d 283
Penn William Aston 6d 283

Not having any luck in the 1911. But I don't see a Selina Buffey in 1891 or 1901.

Selina Buffey married William Penn:

Births Jun 1914
> PENN Catherine Buffey Birmingham 6d 543
Births Dec 1916
> Penn Henry T Buffey Birmingham 6d 413
Births Mar 1920
Penn Selina M Buffey Birmingham 6d 695
(died same year; haven't checked others)
Births Sep 1921
Penn Joseph Buffey Birmingham 6d 498
Births Sep 1923
Penn Annie Buffey Birmingham 6d
Births Mar 1927
Penn Christina M Buffey Birmingham N. 6d 694

> Eleanor/Lena's parents were Thomas and Katherine? Possibly the T in Henry T is Thomas ...

Name: Thomas Henry Penn
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1984
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 32
Page: 130

For info, Henry Buffey, husband of Kate/Katherine, in 1881 with parents, I think:

Name: Henry Buffey
Age: 17
> Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Buffey
Mother's Name: Sarah Buffey
Where born: Sutton In Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
>> Occupation: Brass Castor

Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire

William Buffey 48
Sarah Buffey 48
Clara Buffey 20
Henry Buffey 17
Edwin Buffey 15
Alfred Buffey 13
Maria Buffey 8
Jane Pursall 16



I got kind of fascinated with this person:

Births Mar 1866
BUFFEY Kate E Birmingham 6d 95
Buffey Kate E Birmingham 6d 96
-- second entry is the corrected one

But have ruled her out -- she married Amos Harris in 1887 and is with her mother Mary Ann Buffey and daughter Rose L Harris in 1891


This is likely another child of Henry Buffey and Kate/Katherine, just for info:

Births Dec 1891
BUFFEY Laura Catherine Birmingham 6d 76
Deaths Dec 1892
Buffey Laura Catherine 1 Birmingham 6d 49


As I understand it (and I'm a bit muddled between the two threads), you don't have a birth certificate for your Annie or any of her siblings?

I think I would try the Selina Buffey birth.


What do you think of some very badly misguided mistranscription as a possibility?

Marriages Jun 1889
> BUFFERY Henry Birmingham 6d 59
Green Frances Harriet A Birmingham 6d 59
Harris Thomas Birmingham 6d 59
> Ruearn Catherine Birmingham 6d 59

"Ruearn" just isn't a name ever at all. Could both surnames have been misread (or misrecorded) on the marriage certificate?