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Hi Londonbelle

This looks to be very true and ties up with some known but previously unproven information about an Italian link and a confectionary shop

Best regards

Rob and Tina

This looks that the marriage given above for Robert Giles in 1869

Name: Robert Giles
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Cannell
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Aug 1869
Parish: St James the Less, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Alfred Giles
Spouse Father Name: William Cannell

Note: Father's name for Robert is given as Alfred. In the marriage to Jessey in 1859 his father's name was John

Hiya - Thanks for all this input which we are now trying to tie together with the family tree that currently exists.

Absolutely brilliant - thank you all for your contributions todate

Rob and Tina

Hate to throw a spanner in the works but

GILES, Robert A Lodger M 29 1842 Middlesex
GILES, Elizabeth A Wife F 27 1844 Middlesex
BACON, Elizabeth A Boarder F 27 1844 Middlesex

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
442 Folio:
81 Page:
11 Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
St Leonard Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
Bath Street, Shoreditch County:
London, Middlesex




This looks like the marriage
Marriages Sep 1869

Cannell Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 603
GILES Caroline Bethnal Green 1c 603
GILES Robert Bethnal Green 1c 603
Murgitroyd James Bethnal Green 1c 603

Perhaps neither died!

This I believe is Jessey in the 1851 census
Name: Jessie Moss
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Moss
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 45 Boston Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Elisabeth Moss 39 married occ Silk Winder
Ann Nicoll 40 sister unmarried occ Silk Winder
Abraham Moss 19 occ Cigar Maker
Edward Moss 15 occ Journeyman Shoemaker
Phoebe Moss 13 occ Batton Maker
Morris Moss 11
Jessie Moss 7



and then her family in the 1841 census

Name: Abram Moses
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Moses 35 occ General Dealer
Leah Moses 25
Abram Moses 9
Joseph Moses 7
Edward Moses 5
Phoebe Moses 3
Morris Moses 2
Ann Nichols 25

All born in County

Abraham was also listed at a School for Hebrew Boys in Bethnal Green

Note Ann Nichols also appears in the 1851 census as being Elizabeth's sister.

So perhaps they changed their surname from Moses to Moss

This looks to be Bertolomeo in the 1901 census and he is a Widower

Name: Bortolo Balduzzi
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Gender: Male
Where born: Prezzo, Austria

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Northwest Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Booth Scaia 40
Mary A Scaia 36
Antonio Scaia 9
Gisanina Scaia 6
Rosalina Scaia 2
Bortolo Balduzzi 44 b Prezzo Austria occ Baker Employer

There is this death which could be Jessie

Deaths Jun 1893
Balduzzi Jessie aged 47 Alderbury 5a 114
The district Alderbury is in the county of Wiltshire

This is Jessey in the 1891 census she is a widow again

Name: Jessie Gianella
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 112 High St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jessie Gianella 45 occ Confectioner
Violante Gianella 16
Theresa Gianella 8
Montine Montani 45 b Italy occ Shopman Confectioner

Looks like Giovanni died in 1888
Deaths Mar 1888

Then Jessey marries again

Name: Jessey Gianella Widow
Spouse Name: Bertolomeo Balduzzi Batchelor occ Confectioner
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Dec 1891
Address; 33 Waterford Road
Parish: St James, Fulham
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Jacob Moses occ Clothes Salesman
Spouse Father Name: Giovanni Balduzzi occ Sawyer
Witnesses: Montini Montano & Sarah Willis

The witness Montini could be the same person who was living in the 1891 household

If the above is correct I've found this Baptism

Name: Jessey Moses
Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1878
Born: 22 May 1844
Father's Name: Jacob Moses Moses occ Salesman
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Moses
Address: 307 Fulham Road
County: Middlesex

This is the same family in the 1881 census... surname on actual image reads Gianella

Name: Jessy Giarrella
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Giovannie Giarrella
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 307 Fulham Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Giovannie Giarrella 42 b Switzerland occ Confectioner
Jessy Giarrella 37
Giovannie Giarrella 11
Luigia Giarrella 9
Phoebe Giarrella 7
Voilante Giarrella 6
Ethel Giarrella 3
Virginie Giarrella
Elizabeth Moss 70 Mother b Bethnal Green (looks like this could be Jessy's mother)
Jessy Moss 13 Neice
Emily Moss 20 neice
Bortalo Baldazre 24 Visitor

This maybe something but there again it might be nothing! But here goes

I've found this marriage and this Jessey Giles is a Widow

Name: Jessey Giles Widow
Spouse Name: Giovanni Gianella Batchelor occ Publican
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Aug 1869
Parish: St Luke, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Jacob Moses occ Salesman
Spouse Father Name: Giovanni Gianella occ Magistrate

Witnesses: George Frederick Tate & Phoby Gray

There is this marriage of Jessey Emma Giles

Name: Jessey Emma Giles
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: William Humphreys occ Domestic Servant
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 03 Feb 1885
Parish: St Mary the Boltons, West Brompton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Robert Albert Giles occ Printer
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Humphreys occ Bricklayer

The interesting thing is that the witnesses are GIOVANNI GIANELLA & Elizabeth Tate.... it would follow that as the name Giovanni Gianella is unusual that he is in someway related to Jessey Emma.

Here is Jessey Snr in the 1871 census

Giovannie Gianella aged 32 b Switzerland occ Waiter
Jessey Gianella aged 28 b Bethnal Green
Jessey Gianella aged 11 b Hackney Rd Middx
Giovannie aged 12 months b York Bg Middx
Also living in the same household are
Elizabeth Moss aged 57 b Bethnal Green
Mark G Ray aged 12 b Hackney Rd Middx
Nathaniel Moss aged 5 b Kingsland Rd Middx

So perhaps Robert Albert Giles died and Jessey remarried?

I use Ancestry......

Hi Londonbelle

What data base did you use for the 1861 census - we used the one this site

It does not show

Best regards

Rob and Tina

Hi lancashireAnn

Will check that one out

Thank you so much

Rob and Tina

Hi Londonbelle

Thank you so much for this - we will check this out as it sounds like them. Brilliant

Rob and Tina

this birth reg is a possiblity

Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
MOSES Female Kensington 3 191

Found them in the 1861 census together

Name: Robert Albert Giles
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jessey Giles
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Old Ivy Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Albert Giles 19 occ Porter
Jessey Giles 18 b Bethnal Green (looks like)
Jessey C Giles 10 MO b Shoreditch

Hi Anne Marie - thanks for that input, we simply do not have access to all the records on line and was just hoping for someone who might shed some light on Jessey Moses. Just such a stop on a direct line.

Best regards Rob

Rob and Tina - in my own research I've come across relatives where there is no record of their births. It was only after 1874 that the onus was on parents to register the birth or be fined. Before that, some were simply not recorded.

Hiya - sorry we do not know that. Its almost like she did not exist - but we do know that the child Jessey Giles was her daughter and is our direct relative. Not really sure why Robert Giles does not appear in the census with her

Possibly the moses family was in Greenwich locality

Its been such a mystery for so long - hence our posting

Rob and Tina

Do you kno when Jessie died?