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My Tate line has come to a standstill. Help!

My 3x great grandfather was Michael Tate 1788- c1816 - gardener of Southowram on his marriage to Martha Scott. His baptism records states that Wm Tate of Skircoat (Halifax) was his father. I believe that Wm may have had other children Mary b c1791 and John b c1794. The Tates all seem to name their sons Wm, John, Joseph & James so finding the correct Wm is a real challenge.

Is this Halifax UK?

WILLIAM TAYTE Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELYZABETH ASTMOUGH Family
Marriage: 07 JUL 1573 Halifax, Yorkshire, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

1881

Michael TATE Head M Male 66 Halifax, York, England Gardener (Mt)
Sarah TATE Wife M Female 70 London, Middlesex, England Gardeners Wife


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Source Information:
Dwelling York Road
Census Place Elvington, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342143
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4729 / 7
Page Number 7

Yes it is Halifax Yorkshire UK.

Yes correct family. Michael Tate in Elvington, York is the son of my Michael Tate b 1788. He married Sarah Uttley.

Wm Tayte/Elizabeth Astmough - I have a feeling that this is the correct family but finding the link is the problem. I have a tombstone inscription which may help or equally may add to the confusion!!

Lightcliffe Old Church Gravestone inscription.

"Here lieth the bodies of James & Mary Tate of Yew Trees, likewise their sons John, James & William, also three daughters of William Tate, Hannah, Jenet and Alice. Within this silent tomb lies slumbering here, the dust of three children, free from all pains, pride, malice and sedition. Happy are they that be in this condition anno domini 1772
In memory of Wiliam, son of the above mentioned James Tate, who departed this life on the 25th day of April1806, aged 93 years. Also of John, son of the above mentioned William Tate who departed this life on 1st day of July 1809 aged 51 years. Also of Hannah, relich of the above mentioned William Tate who departed this life on 27th day of September 1810 aged 96 years.
in all affectionate remembrance of Matildah Tate of Yew Trees, Lightcliffe who died January 30th 1881 in the 85th year of her age. Her end was in peace."."

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Hello Margaret

Looking at familysearch there is a connecting name which I would think links the information off the tomb and your relative . Not proof but a possibility.The William on the tomb would have been born 1713-1806

William Tate son of William Tate and (Hannah )of Lightcliffe
Born/bapt 14 July 1754.
-JLe

Other births which include the three names on the tomb:- Hannah -Jennet- Alice-JLe
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JAMES TATE - International Genealogical Index

Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUN 1747 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

2. JAMES TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 OCT 1776 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

3. MARY TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1742 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

4. ALICE TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 FEB 1765 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

5. JENNET TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAR 1745 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

6. WILLIAM TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JUL 1754 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

7. SARAH TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 FEB 1752 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

8. JO. TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 NOV 1772 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

9. ABIGALE TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUN 1759 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

10. JOHN TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 APR 1757 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

11. HANNAH TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 OCT 1749 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England

12. BETTY TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 APR 1762 Lightcliffe, Yorkshire, England


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Just a further message on the location....Southowram is located between Lightcliffe and Halifax, so it would be reasonable to think that the family 'gravitated' towards the more industrial town of Halifax where there would be money to be made from the wealth of the town including gardening .. -JLe

Thanks I had all the other children of Wm and Mary but not Wm b 1754 for some reason . This must be him. Thank you everyone ..... Next challenge..has anyone any ideas who he married??

Is the William and Mary a slip up?

William Tate (1754) I think will be the son of William + Hannah not Mary-JLe

MARY TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 JAN 1791 Elland, Yorkshire, England

2. JOHN TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 AUG 1794 Elland, Yorkshire, England

3. MICHAEL TATE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 NOV 1788 Elland, Yorkshire, England
Presume these are the three ancestors .....but they are down the road in Elland, not in Skircoat at Halifax, unless they only lived there and chose to be baptised at Elland. This may give a clue as to where the mother came from.- jle

Sorry , yes Wm & Mary is a slip up – they were King & Queen about 17th century weren't they. Delusions of grandeur! ........However, slip or not, Abigail (Abigale) and Alice Tate have a mother named Mary.

There are a number of Tates in Elland. I think I read that the old Lightcliffe church was only licensed for baptisms and burials and later reduced to burials only. The new church at Lightcliffe was built some way from the old one so maybe Elland became more convenient or maybe some of the family migrated in that direction. John Tate 1757 went over the hills to Holme in Cliviger, Lancashire but his daughters, one being Matilda(h), mentioned on the inscription ended their days back at Yew Trees, Skircoat.

Hi Margaret
Just wondering if there are two Alice and Abigail.
I have just drawn a little tree from the information you posted. If I have understood it correctly .....James and Mary Tate the original parents.....followed by their 3 children John, James and William Tate1713-1806. Also, but later there is his(William) wife Hannah born 1714-1809. Then listed are 4 of William and Hannah's children Hannah, Jennet, Alice and John born 1757-1809 which tallies with the 51, would be 52 later in the year of death. Where do the other two children Alice and Abigail fit into the family? -JLe

Regarding Tates of Ellland - I have a John William Tate born Skircoat Halifax 1796. He committed suicide on Xmas day 1852 in Lower Shore Calderbrook Lancs. He had 8 children including Christopher 1821-1891 who settled in Elland. He married Ann Crossland and one of his son's married Leah Selina Utley. Iam trying to trace John William's father. Could he be John 1794 or a son of John Tate 1757. Alice, Priscilla,
Hannah and John seem to be family names in my tree.
Regards
Shona

Sorry I've only just noticed your post.

I have Christopher Tate & Ann Crossland on my tree with just John as father , no date. Notes say that the baptismal record of Christopher Tate said son of John, gardener of Skircoat and Mary and I had an educated guess that Mary might have been Mary Wilkinson b1799. I do recall somebody telling me that one of the Tates committed suicide and was reputed to be a drunkard.

My John of Skircoat 1757-1809 married Elizabeth Tillotson and their children were born in Holme in Cliviger, Lancs. The family eventually moved back to the Skircoat area between 1796 and 1841.

Thanks for your information about Mary Wilkinson. I shall follow it up.
how do they connect to your tree?

Shona - best send a message to Margaret - she last posted nearly a year ago