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Ta you two -- Gwyn, very generous -- I do have that distant cousin in Canterbury and that's how I got such a lot already. (She and I have the same gx4 grandmother, Mary Ponton's husband's grandmother ... if I have it straight ...)

She found one of Mary Ponton's husband's aunts living in one of her households in the mid-1800s as "aunt" and couldn't make head nor tails of that, til she traced up her tree and found our mutual grx4 grmother marrying twice, the second marriage being her family, and then back down on my family's side, to my notes in a census at Ancestry! (And in return, I found a load of her ancestors' descendants here in Canadian records.)

Tracey, if I were to go further, it would be to the origins of James Ponton and Mary Young born 1760s-early 1770s and so far I haven't managed that from anything on line. And I guess the other thing I don't have yet is the marriage of Mary Ponton's parents William Ponton and Elizabeth sometime 1821-1824. I don't think my cuz could find it, and she has the parish records on CD.

Danged annoying isn't that, how you can find someone's grandparents but not their mother? I just solved that longstanding mystery for another set of grx3 grandparents this fall -- had the grx4 grparents but not the grx3 grfather's wife (matched their son to the father on his son's marriage certificate, but didn't have the son's own birth or parents' marriage). Same thing here.

I am very happy when I get back to two generations born before 1800, thrilled in fact, given that I started with only my grandparents born around 1900 and info about their parents varying from a good start (name and birthplace) to nil (not even the name of William Ponton's granddaughter, my gr-grmother).

Maybe I should dig up another branch of my tree and start a thread about that for you Tracey. ;)

Work still has me buried at present, but I'll see what I can do in March ... !

Janey
Let me know if you ever want me to trawl through records in Canterbury Cathedral Archives.


Gwyn

Hey Janey,

Are we any further forward on this?

Any mere morsels you can throw at us to go and hunt down?


Tracey x

Ann o' GG, are you looking? I was just taking a gander back at this thread for some info in it and realized that big ream of Wiltshire Ponton stuff you posted over several posts is still here. I think I'd been hopeful that you would remove it when I noted that it was all unrelated.

Could I possibly humbly beg and prevail upon you to do that? Five posts I think it is, of parish baptisms etc. for a load of people not related to my Canterbury Pontons.

That way I'll be able to refer the person I wanted to share this info with to the thread without fear of making their head explode.

Ta very much!

(and then I'll delete this beseechment, of course)



What I was wanting to add here for my info and for the person I want to refer to it:


Name: James Ponton
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 27 Sep 1835
Death Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Age: 74
Birth Date: 1761
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1786138
Reference Number: P. 40, #318
Collection: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

(not verified I think; Mary (Young) Ponton is in 1841 and 1851 born c1771-2)

Well, GrEnAda is in the West Indies. ;) (It was originally named Granada by the Spanish, then Grenade, then Grenada.)

It was that one where he was discharged, I think I finally decided, yup. (Tropical diseases, and all, see my post just above.)

My peninsula/war connections are way farther back: the Bond ancestor of me and 007 who was with Drake, and brought home the family motto "Non sufficit orbis" ... The world is not enough!

Apparently that came from Santo Domingo ... this time in Spain, not the Caribbean. ;)

Hi Janey
I´m probably telling you something else you already know, but have just been reading your post because my 3xg grandfather fought in Spain & Portugal& anything connected to the Peninsula War interests me.
GranAda is Spain. Greneda is the West Indies.
Cheers Marion

People keep telling me things I know! ;)

Phthisis abdominalis is abdominal tuberculosis (of which a couple of people in one of my families, that I know of, died in the 1870s). It generally involved the mesenteric / lymph glands in the abdomen. It was something I hadn't heard of before deciphering those death certificates and googling: we tend to think of tuberculosis as affecting the lungs (phthisis pulmonaris, which got a couple of others in that family).

Here's a recent discussion of it:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1251818

I admit I haven't put much time into figuring out what an 1821 diagnosis of visceral disease (that I did just learn of here), a pretty non-specific term, might have meant!

Well aha. I had wondered about dysentery, given that he was in the West Indies, so I just googled

"visceral disease" dysentery

and here I find a google books result:

"The influence of tripical climates on European Constitutions", James Johnson 1826, Tropical medicine.

and also an article in the Edinburgh Medical and Surgical Journal, 1814.

So I shall have to read up. Unfortunately, William must have died befroe 1837 (the one in 1871 in Blean is the other one, from Wiltshire), so no death certificate for me.

visceral disease is usually associated with the internal organs, especially the stomach and intestines.

However phthisis is an archaic medical term for tuberculosis

I'm just pottering with my people again here.


Mary (Young) Ponton in 1841:

Name: Mary Ponton
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1771
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Registration district: Canterbury

Mary Ponton 70
Eliza Ponton 30
James Ponton 40 (baptised 10 JUN 1798)


Mary Young
Christening: 09 DEC 1770 Canterbury, Kent, England
Father: John Young
Mother: Sarah Young
Batch No.: I013918 - no others in batch


Other possibles, but that's a wide time spread:

ELIZABETH YOUNG Christening: 17 MAY 1786 Saint Alphege, Canterbury, Kent, England
SARAH YOUNG Christening: 24 NOV 1776 Saint Paul, Canterbury, Kent, England
ANN YOUNG Christening: 27 MAY 1787 Saint Alphege, Canterbury, Kent, England


No birth for her husband James Ponton, although there is a much earlier (1629) James Pounton baptism in St Alphage (and a Dorothe Pounton 1628, different father), so they may be indigenous to Kent, at least that far back, anyway. ;)

Ta, Lou, have had a look.

We've been watching Northanger Abbey taped from a couple of nights ago (have had to interrupt our viewing to watch the US BB12 finale etc).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northanger_Abbey

Although it was published in 1818 it was written just before 1800. We'd watched a couple of other Austen's recently, and I'd just finally got around to reading P&P and another one a couple of years ago. There are military types all over them, of course -- brothers on leave, scoundrels and gamblers, etc -- and they're interesting for that, the generation before official record-keeping started, the one that included my William Ponton here. If only someone had been writing books about the footsoldiers and not just the wastrel officers!

I wonder whether "intermittent fever visceral disease" was tuberculosis -- "phthisis abdominalis" on the death certificates of some of my ancestors.

Hmmm, this book is dated 1822?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UDMaAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=9th+regiment+of+foot+%2B+grenada&source=bl&ots=BUAbmiJU1f&sig=6ZYuEduV35RqxPSynqLL5LdR8-M&hl=en&ei=vjuRTL2mMMz44gaC5cHgDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=9th%20regiment%20of%20foot%20%20%20grenada&f=false

It at least places the 9th Foot in Grenada, even if it doesn't give you much more!


T x

Would these be of help to you?

http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/amot-search/default.asp?Category=Amot&Service=Museum-Display&reference=0000000112

http://www.rnrm.org.uk/history/history_01.html


T x

Or Grenada the island after all?

http://www.worcestershireregiment.com/Testweb2009/29hist_chapter8.php

The 9th Foot were there in 1795.

I need my military historian!

(Interestingly the Worcestershire Regiment was what William Ponton's great-grandson was in from his battlefield promotion late in WWI to when he left sometime in the 20s after occupying Ireland for a while.)

Gotta sort out this Grenada business.

And I forgot -- the ancestor I share with 007 was in the West Indies with Drake way earlier too. ;)

Oh lord, Lou, another William?

The parents of my Mary - baptised 19 December 1824 --were William and Elizabeth.
(The parents of the 1825 Mary were George and Mary -- that George seems to have been my William's brother.)

William and Mary? Gimme strength ...

Oh, that's Rochester! No, mine were Canterbury.

He enlisted in Canterbury in 1814 and Mary was born there in 1825, and James Ponton and Mary Young his putative parents married there in 1791.

So there may be connections with the Faversham Ponton crowd ... and now Rochester ... but I think that isn't him, anyway.

Oh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_%28East_Norfolk%29_Regiment_of_Foot

The Regiment was sent to Canada with most of Wellington's veteran units to prevent the threatened invasion by the US, and so arrived in Europe too late for Waterloo. The 1st battalion participated in the Army of Occupation in France, whilst the 2nd was disbanded at the end of 1815.


The war the US doesn't like to mention -- the War of 1812 -- because THEY LOST!!

I had a friend who used to taunt USAmericans about that (they don't acknowledge either that they were the aggressors or that they lost). Who won? When you drove up here, did you happen to notice that border you crossed? ;)

But my William wouldn't have been involved; too young. He enlisted on 24 December 1814 at the age of 17 years and 239 days, for unlimited service.

Who enlists in the army underage on Christmas Eve??

Someone desperate for dinner, maybe.

Hmmm,

Whom did he marry?

Surname: Ponton
Forenames : William
Year of Marriage: 25 Mar 1824
Spouse surname: Dolan
Spouse forenames: Mary
Place: Rochester
County: Kent
Source: St.Margarets Rochester 1813-1851
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Record source: Thames & Medway Marriages
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Begone with your snot. ;)


Big thanks to MaureenNY (and Tracey who offered) for the Chelsea Pensioner images. I've read the one I'm sure is mine, who of course isn't the one with the 5-page file, nooo, that's the one I had wrongly fixated on.

Mine is two short pages. He was 25 years old when discharged from 9th Foot in May 1821 because of "Intermittent Fever Visceral Disease". Um, ew. Lived long enough to father Mary in 1824, anyway, and it seems George later.

The interesting thing is where he was discharged: Grenada. So what happened then, paid out and sent on your way? I assume they shipped them back home!

Grenada. I had no idea. Thought the only world traveller in my bunches was old Ernest Monck/Hill with his temporary emigration to Australia before returning to mother England and then making off to Canada.

Have now got to investigate this 9th foot and what they were up to in Grenada. Ann o' GG, be still.

... Oh wait. At Grenada, not in Grenada. Spain, not West Indies. Well, still. ;)

sob, sniff!!!!

But I will, Ann o' GG, I will. ;)

[a bunch of Wiltshire Ponton parish records were posted and now deleted but they mostly postdated my Kent Pontons]

As I did say, there are Pontons all over Warminster/Wilton. And I can do the IGI and pilot.familysearch just like you can!

There's no way to connect mine in Kent to any of 'em at present, let alone to Pontons in Warminster after my 1791 marriage in Kent! The two submitted records for the birth of a James in Warminster of an age to marry in 1791 are my best clues so far, but nothing to hang my hat on.

-- I just rechecked the 1841 census for what seems to be Mary (Young) c1771, widow of James Ponton (mother of William 1796, grandmother of my Mary), and she shows as born in county. For what that's worth, but since they married there I suspect she was.

Thank you both! I think Maureen has sent the full set -- I have to get to work and will peruse them later today.

The Warminster one is the one I had been eyeing for ages and now it seems he isn't mine, mine's the 1796 Canterbury one. Pontons no doubt come from Warminster/Wiltshire at some point, but so far I seem to have mine back to that 1791 marriage in Kent ... and who knows whether I'll be able to go farther than that ... or find out whom my William married.

Aargh, it's the Wiltsihre Barnard-Castles all over again!