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Thanks Catherine

Trevor,
Unfortunately 1911 census for Scotland won't be available until 2011 so you'll have to be patient a little longer.
Catherine

Hi to all helpers,
Many thanks for all the results you have found.
I am certain that the Robert Stevenson & Helen Henderie Stevenson are the right connection to my grandfather Robert. In the 1881 Scottish census both Robert & his brother Alexander have occupations as Iron Moulders, both end up in Manchester as Iron Moulders, Robert marrying my grandmother in 1886 & in the 1891 English census still employed as an Iron Moulder & Alexander in a hospital in Stockport In the 1891 English census still shown as an Iron Moulder. All I need now to really confirm this is to see if Ada Stevenson appears in the 1911 Scottish census after being sent up to Scotland to be brought up by relatives after her mother's death in 1906

pm from Trevor:-

Hi Catherine, many thanks for the info. The english info is spot on. The info on the scottish connection that i am inclined to is the one that jax, Tootyfruity & yourself have come up with with reference to Alexander & Helen Henderie Stevenson, residing in Falkirk. The reasoning behind this is the fact that Robert Stevenson' s marriage certificate showed that the father's of the bridegroom & bride showed the names to be Alexander & John respectively & that their occupations were shown as carters. I know that John Bewley's occupation was a police constable in the 1871 census & did not show in the 1881 census with the family in Manchester. However he did have a son with the same name therefore I am wondering if the names & occupations in the columns for fathers names were actually the names of the brothers to the bride & groom. The other info I have is that Robert & Elizabeth had a daughter in the 4th quarter of 1905 & that Elizabeth died in the 2nd quarter of 1906. Her name was Ada & was sent up to Scotland to be brought up by a member of the family up there. She later married Andrew Sneddon & lived in Bannockburn, Stirlingshire. This may be a coincidence that the family could be from S.tirlingshire. Any thoughts or info would be appreciated,

Regards

Trevor

1881
Name: Alexander Stevenson
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: St Niniano, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 626A/2
Registration district: Cadder Eastern District
Civil parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: No 2 Stepps Road
Occupation: Platelayer


Name: Alexand Stevenson
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ilderton, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: North Middleton in Glendale
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: House 5
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Laborer (Gen)


so neither of these seem to fit still?

1871 record living Doddington shows father's occupation as Rabbit Catcher and Labourer, so doesn't look to be that one.


1871 record living Village Of Kirkmuirhill with mother Agnes shows father's occupation as Plate Layer On Railway so ........?


1871 record living Camelon with mother Helen shows father's occupation as Boatman so none fit with occupation on marriage record.

They can, however, have changed occupation by the time he married so need to see what their occupations were in 1881.

Catherine. According to Robert's marriage certificate his father' s occupation was a carter

Kath. The marriage certificate did not list Robert's mother's name. The names of the children are:- Margaret, Mary E, Florence, Robert, William, Albert & Ada

Catherine. Yes this him. His occupation was shown as an iron moulder. He had two other children, Albert ( my father ) who was born in 1902 & Ada who I think was born in 1905

Hi Trevor,
This is the birth that matches with 1881 Census.

ROBERT STEVENSON Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 31 MAY 1867 Teviothead, Roxburgh, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER STEVENSON Family
Mother: ELIZABETH THOMPSON


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

This birth matches the one in Old Monkland.

ROBERT STEVENSON Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 24 AUG 1864 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER STEVENSON Family
Mother: AGNES RICHARDSON


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

What are the names of Robert & Elizabeth Bewley's children please?

Did the marriage cert not list Robert's mother's name?

Regards
Kath

Scotlands people is the best place for Scottish birth records, but as there are several Robert Stevensons with father Alexander, you will need some other clue to be sure you get the correct one.
If you could give his father's occupation, then this could confirm one of the early census records so you will then have his place of birth, although 1911 he does give NK, which usually means Not Kown.

If 1891 and 1901 are correct, then this looks to be him in 1911:-

JOLLEY, Annie Head Widow F 50 1861 Dress Maker Cheshire Wharlock VIEW
STEVENSON, Robert Boarder Widower M 49 1862 Moulder Ironworks General Scotland NK VIEW
STEVENSON, Robert Son Single M 15 1896 Stamper Printer Works Lancashire Manchester VIEW
STEVENSON, William Son M 12 1899 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
STEVENSON, Albert Son M 9 1902 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23712 Reference:
RG14PN23712 RG78PN1378A RD464 SD2 ED11 SN149

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
31 Derby Street Ardwick Manchester County:
Lancashire

Gives place of birth as Scotland NK
and date of birth as 1862?

or

Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Stevenson
Mother's Name: Agnes Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: O Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 626A/2
Registration district: Cadder Eastern District
Civil parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: No 2 Stepps Road
Occupation: Signal Lighter
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 117
Line: 16
Roll: cssct1881_205
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Stevenson 49
Agnes Stevenson 50
Alexander Stevenson 18
Robert Stevenson 16
William Stevenson 14
David Stevenson 13
James Stevenson 9


You need to go on Scotlandspeople and find his birth. You will be able to see it straight away on the payment of 5 credits. Scottish birth certificates give a lot more information than English ones. This will tell you his mothers maiden name, how long they have been married and on some where they got married. Well worth it.

Is this him?

1891
Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Openshaw
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 86
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stevenson 26
Elizabeth Stevenson 24
Margaret Stevenson 1


1901
Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Benedict
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 35 Randolph Street

Occupation: Iron Founder

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stevenson 35
Elizabeth Stevenson 34
Margaret Stevenson 11
Mary E Stevenson 9
Florence Stevenson 7
Robert Stevenson 5
William Stevenson 1

1871 show at least three possibles:-

1871 Scotland Census
UK Census Collection
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Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Stevenson
Mother's Name: Helen Henderie Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 479/2
Registration district: Falkirk Landward
Civil parish: Falkirk Landward
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Camelon
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_83
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Stevenson 34
Helen Henderie Stevenson 33
Janet Stevenson 11
Alexander Stevenson 10
Robert Stevenson 6
Helen Stevenson 3
Margaret Stevenson 1


Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Stevenson
Mother's Name: Agnes Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanark
Registration Number: 649
Registration district: Lesmahagow
Civil parish: Lesmahagow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Village Of Kirkmuirhill
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 111
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1871_146
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Stevenson 37
Agnes Stevenson 39
Alexander Stevenson 7
Robert Stevenson 6
William Stevenson 5
David Stevenson 2


Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alexd Stevenson
Mother's Name: Eliz Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Doddington
Town: Doddington
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Glendale
Sub-registration district: Wooler
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexd Stevenson 40
Eliz Stevenson 38
Margt Stevenson 13
James Stevenson 11
Eliz Stevenson 8
Jessie Stevenson 6
Robert Stevenson 3
Mary Stevenson 4 Months


Do you not know of any siblings?
What occupation does the marriage cert. show for his father?

or possibly

Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Stevenson
Mother's Name: Helen Henderie Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 479/2
Registration district: Falkirk Landward
Civil parish: Falkirk Landward
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Camelon
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_83
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Stevenson 34
Helen Henderie Stevenson 33
Janet Stevenson 11
Alexander Stevenson 10
Robert Stevenson 6
Helen Stevenson 3
Margaret Stevenson 1

and 1871

Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alexd Stevenson
Mother's Name: Eliz Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Doddington
Town: Doddington
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Glendale
Sub-registration district: Wooler
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Alexd Stevenson 40
Eliz Stevenson 38
Margt Stevenson 13
James Stevenson 11
Eliz Stevenson 8
Jessie Stevenson 6
Robert Stevenson 3
Mary Stevenson 4 Months

???

Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Stevenson
Mother's Name: Helen Henderie Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 479/2
Registration district: Falkirk Landward
Civil parish: Falkirk Landward
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Camelon
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_83
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Stevenson 34
Helen Henderie Stevenson 33
Janet Stevenson 11
Alexander Stevenson 10
Robert Stevenson 6
Helen Stevenson 3
Margaret Stevenson 1


.

you need Scotlands People for his birth and possible marriage for his parents .It free to search but pay to view Cost £6 for 30 units

possibility for 1881

Name: Robert Stevenson
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alexand Stevenson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Stevenson
Gender: Male
Where born: Teviot Heads, Roxburghshire, Scotland

Civil parish: North Middleton in Glendale
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: House 5
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Glendale
Sub-registration district: Wooler
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alexand Stevenson 49
Elizabeth Stevenson 46
James Stevenson 21
Elizabeth Stevenson 18
Jessie Stevenson 15
Robert Stevenson 13
Mary Stevenson 10
Jane Ann Stevenson 7