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Hi AuntySherlock, no luck with Maurice Eldred (or Morris Eldred) Lowe (or Low) being born in Tasmania between 1885 - 1904 according to BDM Tasmania. I did receive a Death Certificate stating that John Lowe died on the 4th of October 1946 and that his wife's name was Gladys Ann Lowe (nee BIMSON). So I don't really know if hew was born in Tasmania or if his birth name was Maurice Eldred or it could have been John or John William? I think I will now try to find out if hewas born in Tasmania between 1885 - 1905 (I don't think he could have been born later than 1905 as he joined the AIF in 1915). His wife Gladys Ann re-married circa Apr 1945 (RADFORD) although on "John's" Death Cert it says he was married for 26 years althougj they were married in 1919 and seperated sometime in the early/mid 1930's. Any thoughts??

Hello AuntySherlock, I shall have to do my Library research on Saturdays (they close by 6.00pm in the area I live). I'm finding that it pays to go back over materials as the tree grows and pieces start coming together. I am more than happy to wait for a few days, and thank you again for offering to do more research for me, I am not used to people doing such things for me but I do appreciate your advice and assistance.
Kind regards
Phil

Been doing a bit more research to establish your rellies connection to Tasmania.

British settlement of Tasmania occurred from 1803. The first settlers were convicts and their guards, soldiers and naval personnel. Free settlers came later.

Therefore it is quite feasible that Albert George Lowe could have been born in Tasmania in 1868 and in fact his parents might also have been born there in the 1840. You could stretch a point and say his grandparents might have been some of the first settlers. Yes, either convict or free!!

The very best way of finding out these answers is to do it through the libraries. There is also an historical BDM CD you are able to purchase however it costs more than a hundred British pounds. And Tasmania does not have on line indexes.

While you are waiting for the birth certificate of Maurice I will do that search for you. It will have to wait for a few days so be patient with me!!

Have taken a look at your tree. I believe your next step will be to find out the parents of Albert Lowe b. 1868. I am wondering if the first few posts on this thread are the answers to that question.

Somewhere in your family tree you will have ancestors coming from the UK. I think waiting until you have the certificate is the best idea and we can then work back from a proven fact.

Thanks AuntySherlock, some of the info you sent me is very helpful and the Morris Eldred LOWE in the 1949 roll was my dad living with his uncle, aunt and cousin in Reserve St (my mum knew dad then). I will wait for the birth cert for Maurice Eldred now as otherwise I'm only guessing! When (and if) you have time have a look at how my tree is expanding thanks in part to you and the other legends. kind regards Phil

Some of this next lot of info is already on this thread. It deals with the electoral roll. Some of the people may not be your rellies.

The images for some of these rolls are really bad and I have had to guess the text. I will check it out the next time I go to the libary.

All people have the family name of LOWE. The suburb is always Bass Launceston West Tasmania unless indicated otherwise. Remember people were not put on the electoral roll until they were 21.


1922 Bass Launceston Central Tasmania

5 Vincent Street.
Dora, domestic duties
Albert George Labourer

214 Charles Street
Gladys Ann, home duties
Maurice Eldred, baker

1 Frederick Street
Mary

25(?) Patterson St,
Eric George, architect


1928

20 Frederick St
Albert George, labourer

210 Charles St
Dora, home duties

18 Batten St
Dora Florence, home duties

1936
14 Batten St
Clarence Albert, driver

98 Balfour St
Dora Florence, home duties
Maurice Eldred, barman

79 Canning St
Eileen Mary, home duties

49 Paterson St
Laurence William, millwright

88 Balfour St
Phyllis Mothe, home duties
Wosley Edwin Henry, fireman


1937
14 Batten St
Clarence Albert, driver

98 Balfour St
Clarence Alfred John, labourer
Dora Florence, home duties
Maurice Eldred, barman


88 Balfour St
George Charles Gee, labourer

23 Canning St
Henry Thomas, printer or painter
Jean Lorraine, home duties

49 Paterson
Laurence William, millwright

And in 1949

17 Reserve Street Launceston West
Morris Eldred (note spelling)
Gertrude May
Wesley Albert
William James
Constance Winifred. etc There are 16 people family name Lowe living in this Launceston District in 1949

All this info is available on Ancestry under the Search function.

Hi Phillip. If you have accessed his service records you will see his complete medical information during the war, and yes he was injured and sent back to UK. I had not worked out his marriage coincided with him meeting his wife at that time. I have some more addresses for you. I need to type them out so I will be back in a short while.

Hi AuntySherlock, it seems that Maurice may have been wounded and sent back to hospital in England. He most likely that he met Gladys during recuperation, got married and brought her home as a "war bride". I have a copy of their Marriage Certificate and they were married on the 28th August 1919 in Netherton.

Hi Phillip. Thanks for your reply. I am really intrigued that the family Choccy found in the UK (the first few posts) so mirrors the names and dates of birth of your family born in Tasmania. If it was not for that snippet of info on his war service records that his mother's name was Dora I would have be arguing with you about them being born in Tasmania.

Thoroughly agree with your strategy of the birth certificate. Have you had a look at how he came to be married in the UK. My dim memory says he married during the war..... Therefore you probably will not find him on any incoming UK immigration lists. There might be more address info we can access from the electoral rolls. I will have a look tonight.

AuntySherlock, I haven't found immigration records at this stage as I believed that Maurice was born in Tasmania. Family rumours had it that he joined the AIF by lying about his age (and perhaps name), being sent home and then re-enlisting in Sep 1916 which military records show.

Thank you all so very much, I'm staggered and humbled that there are so many lovely people eager to help a beginner. I have my fathers birth cert which lists him as Morris Eldred LOWE b. Aug 1927. His fathers name on the Birth Cert is listed as Morris Eldred LOWE (same name) by my mum told me that he spelled his name Maurice Eldred. His marriage certificate is listed as John William (obviously to match his Army details) but in the post war electoral rolls as suggested by you, he and Gladys were listed but his name was spelt Maurice? I have applied for a copy of his birth Cert from Tasmania which could assist. I do have copies of his service record and photo's of him in WW1. I think that AuntySherlock's second option is the one I'll pursue because some of the addresses are ones that my father said he'd lived in.

Thanks again to all of you.

Good morning. Yes Tasmania is one of the places it is easier to search from at the library. I am really puzzled as to which Lowe family we are searching, the one with Albert married to Ellen with a son Maurice all born in England. Or the one Albert married to Dora with a son John William who is supposed to the called Maurice but might be Clarence Albert or Brian or Harold.

Need an analytical brain for this.

PS I am pmming Phillip and asking him to return to his thread to see what a muddle we have made of it.

Oh 'eck..... found this;

Colonial Tasmanian Family Links Detail
See bottom of this page for explanation of symbols.

LOWE, CLARENCE ALBERT
Gender: Male
Birth 1894 - HOBART,Tasmania [c]
Marriage/Relationship:
Death:

FAMILY INFORMATION

Parents: 168163 HARDY DORA CONSTANCE 1869
221431 LOWE ALBERT GEORGE 1868



Siblings: 212080 LOWE BRIAN GRAHAM 1895
212081 LOWE HAROLD WILLIAM 1897



From this website; http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=212082


Now I am really out of my depth searching in Tas. I'm Uk based so I think you may need intervention from someone more experienced from this area...... Aunty looks like she knows what she's doing.

If I come across anything else I'll pop it on here and hopefully wont confuse the issue.


Dee x

Parents marriage;

ALBERT GEORGE LOWE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: DORA CONSTANCE HARDY Family
Marriage: 03 MAR 1893 , Tasmania, Australia




On "that" tree it states that Dora was born in Tas. As for Albert, it states he was born in 1868 and no place of birth given.


Dee x

Hi Aunty,

found this on a tree on Anc*stry;

Name: Clarence Albert Lowe
Birth: 1894 - Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Parents: Albert George Lowe, Dora Constance Hardy


So looks like our chap could have been born over there???


Dee x

And Dora and Maurice Eldred and Albert George Lowe are all living together at 98 Balfour Street Launceston Tasmania in 1937. Maurice's occupation is given as barman. His war service record also gives his date of death as 1946.

And my apologies. I need to go to sleep. Will catch up with you again in the morning. I am falling asleep here.

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
about Dora Florence Lowe
Name: Dora Florence Lowe
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1936
State: Tasmania
District: Bass
Subdistrict: Launceston Central

And Phyllis Mollie, Clarence Albert all at the same address as Maurice Eldred.


Clarence is a Carter and is registered on theAus elect rolls in 1919........ could he be Maurices' brother??



Dee x

Hi Dee, sorry I edited before your posting. Going to edit my edit and put it here. Your search has found Dora and now I am even more confused.

My previous edit was...........
Been doing some thinking about this. Are you able to say how you know that John William Lowe was actually Maurice Eldred Lowe. There is a list of men who used aliases during WW1 and these names are not amongst that list. Not that the list is a complete and undeniable list, however...........

Do you know where and when Maurice/John came to Australia. He was born in Yorkshire in 1899 and then in 1916 he is living in Tassie and enlisting in the AIF. Have you found his family's migration to Australia.

Made me wonder if John was born much prior to his mothers marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
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>>FURNIVAL Dora Wolstanton 6b 260
JENNINGS Ann Wolstanton 6b 260
>>LOWE Albert George Wolstanton 6b 260
RUTLEDGE Edwin Wolstanton 6b 260


EDIT>>>>maybe not, here they are in 1911;

HOUSEHOLD LOWE ALBERT G M 1886 25 Wolstanton Staffordshire
HOUSEHOLD LOWE DORA F 1885 26 Wolstanton Staffordshire
HOUSEHOLD LOWE DAISY F 1909 2 Wolstanton Staffordshire



Dee x

With Auntys findings;

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
about Dora Lowe
Name: Dora Lowe
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1914
State: Tasmania
District: Bass
Subdistrict: Launceston Central


With Albert George living at 6 Vincent Street.


Dee x