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Victoria has found Field House which is on the map I looked at in 1908, so obviously making candles then

Thankyou Victoria

Sorry for the delayed reply I have been looking at the website given by rutlandbelle, unfortunately did not find any info on the Candleworks.

Your findings on Albert and Arthur Messenger are correct, they are the Tallow Farmers, Candlemakers I am following.

On your last post all the other Messengers are also my Messenger side of the family. I don't think any of them except Irvin & Victor as far as we know went into the Candleworks business.

Victor had no children and I have been unable to find any for Irvin although they both married, we know about Victor but I find it strange not to find any children for Irvin and his wife.

I am hopeful that rutlandbelle (Jen) will be able to get some more information from her husband or his cousin in regards to the Candleworks, it is the only glimmer for some kind of information at the moment.

Thankyou once again
Taylor

Taylor, I will have to phone my husband's cousin later, but I did post somethings else above , don't know if you caught it or not about where I saw the bit about the candle works.

Out of interest we looked at the 1911 and it does say that Albert was an Employer at that time.

We just looked on google maps also and though Forestry Buildings are still there the rest has all altered.

Rutlandbelle (Jen)

Thanks so much for your info, I will check out the oldmaps site. We know that Arthur and Albert were tallowfarmers, candlemakers from the 1901 Census. Albert and his wife lived at field house, they had no children.

We are trying to establish when it became a registered business and the business name became Kaye & Messenger Candleworks, it seems to have been known in the area as the Candleworks but it's proper name we are led to believe was Kaye and Messenger Candleworks, it's interesting that on the old map (which I haven't looked at yet) you say it is down as Kaye's Candle Works.

Would love to know where the Kaye part of it comes in, keep coming up blanks. Is your husbands cousin still alive, do you think he may remember who was running the place or the names of the manager or managers in the 1960's.

I will see if I can obtain a copy of the James Mason DVD you mentioned.

You have been very helpful and so kind to help me, thankyou so much, I really do appreciate it.

Taylor

Jen

I think we have a time delay for messages, it seems to be a 20-30 minute delay, between here in Australia and you in England, as I just sent my last message to you, yours came in to me, by the looks of the time there is definately a delay.

The Candleworks was sold to Kiwi Shoe Polish in the 1970's, Victor Messenger died in 1974. It later became the Sara Lee Factory, which from memory and info given I believe the factory is still on the site, but whether it is still in use or not I have no idea. I will give google maps a go when I check out the oldmaps site.

I know that Victor had a stepdaughter but have not been able to locate her, I think she lives in Wales, I am sure if I could find her she may be able to give me information on the Candleworks. I'm sure it will all happen one day just need to keep plodding on. Please let me know what your husbands cousin can remember.

Taylor

Will let you know if I find out anything.

The earliest mention I have found so far is in a 1925 tel directory for Kaye and Messenger Ltd, Candle, Taper Manufacurers, Honley tel 86

also in 1921 tel dir.