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Hi,I have found a war record 1914 of Fredrick Mapledoram,North St.Exeter Devon -but his date of birth is 1869 and wife Elizabeth. My frederick is born 1861 (1901 census ) and has wife Lucy-however checked 1871 for Exeter for a 2 year old Fred-and can't find one 2 or 9!!! can anyone see one or both please in 1911? -not sure if there is one or two at all now!!!!

MAPLEDORAN, Frederick Head Married M 50 1861 General Labourer Exeter Devon VIEW
MAPLEDORAN, Elizabeth Wife Married
8 years F 50 1861 Exeter Devon VIEW
ADAMS, Kathleen Maud Grandchild F 1 (15 MONTHS) 1910 Portsmouth Hants VIEW


Address:
2 Room 1st Floor 41 Preston St Exeter


This one was born in Taunton but living in London


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MAPPLEDORAM, Fred Head Married
9 years M 45 1866 Motor Driver Tannton Somerset VIEW
MAPPLEDORAM, Emma Wife Married
9 years F 43 1868 Sutton Montes Somerset VIEW
TEMPLE, George William Step - Son Single M 16 1895 Seaman Deck Boy Sutton Montis Somerset VIEW
MAPPLEDORAM, Amy Mary Daughter F 8 1903 School Kensington London W VIEW
YGLESIAS, Joseph Anthony Boarder Widower M 79 1832 Commercial Clerk Bloomsbury London VIEW
AVERIL, Louis Visitor Married
3 years M 27 1884 Gravuer Paris France Visitor VIEW
AVERIL, Desiree Visitor Married
3 years F 24 1887 Paris France Visitor VIEW

Address:
24 Anley Road West Kensington Park W

1871 England Census
Name: Fred Maplederam
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter
Civil parish: St Mary Major
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Preston St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St Sidwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 269
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Maplederam 56 - labourer
Emma Maplederam 40
Louisa Maplederam 8
Fred Maplederam 11
Ewd Maplederam 13

All born Exeter



1881 England Census
Name: Frederick ? Mapledoram [There is a question mark because his first name has been heavily scrawled over, but it still gives the impression of Frederick]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil parish: Exeter St Mary Major
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Preston St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Gen Lab
Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick ? Mapledoram 22
Lucy Mapledoram 36 - charwoman; Exeter
Lucy Berry 9 - lodger; scholar
Elizabeth Lee 28 - lodger; charwoman

looks like he fibbed about his age on his war record then! said he wasborn 1869 then! still can't find him in 1901-only a Fred and Lucy in Exeter-cannot find a marriage for them though.

or the 1911 fred in 1881 or 1891! thanks for your all your help!

1901-with Lucy?-I'm stilll not sure wether one or two Freds...

Frederick Mapledoram
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: Exeter
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Mapledoram 40
Lucy Mapledoram 54

Thefirst Frederick Mapledoram in 1911 had only been married 8 years to Elizabeth so this could be the marriage registration

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Chowings Rose Mary Exeter 5b 238
Little Elizabeth Exeter 5b 238
Mapledoram Frederick Exeter 5b 238
Sprague Lewis George Exeter 5b 238


Lucy was 14 years older than Frederick in 1901 - so could she have died and Fred re-married?

Have you found another Fred? Considering his age in WW1 I'm not surprised he tried to be younger.

1861 England Census
Name: Federick Mapledoram
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter Abbot, Devon, England
Civil parish: Exeter St Olave
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 256
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mapledoram 45
Emma Mapledoram 20 [Looking at image I think it's more likely to be 30. Anyway it seems to be a 2nd marriage for William.]
Samuel Mapledoram 13
William M Mapledoram 15
Henry Mapledoram 11
Mary Jane Mapledoram 19
Emma Mapledoram 3
Federick Mapledoram 1

no-I havent found another fred-but no marriage for fred/lucy or ad eath for a Lucy Mapledoram either.-doesn't look like fred/lucy had children so maybe they weren't married and her death was reistered as her real name-clutching at straws I know-Yes I think thats the later marriage too.

I did find this though-wondered if Richard may be Fred-they were in trouble an awful lot-so chang of name could be prudent-an with a Lucy? will check it out-thnks for your help






Richard Mapledormon
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter

Civil parish: St Mary Major
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Major
Town: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Mapledormon 31
Lucy Murray 40
Lucy Murray 20


't look like fred/lucy had children so maybe they weren't married and her death was reistered as her real name-clutching at straws I know-Yes I think thats the later marriage too.

I did find this though

Thought he was married before.

1851 England Census
Name: William Mapledoran
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Thomas, Devon, England
Civil parish: Exeter St Paul
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mapledoran 35
Mary Mapledoran 32
James C Mapledoran 11
Mary J Mapledoran 9
William Mapledoran 6
Samuel E Mapledoran 2
John H Mapledoran 10 Mo

Marriages Mar 1839
BROWN Lydia Exeter 10 164
CURRY Mary Jane Exeter 10 164 ???????????
MAPLEDORAM William Exeter 10 164 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MAUNDEE Samuel Exeter 10 164
PAGE Elizabeth Exeter 10 164
RUNDLE Richard Exeter 10 164
SCOFILL James Exeter 10 164
WILLEY Mary Exeter 10 164 ??????????

I think the younger Lucy is Lucy's child from a previous marriage/relationship.

I cannot find aRichard Mapledoram or similar on anything excep the lastly posted census-really puzzled now!

???
Deaths Sep 1855
Mapledorum Mary Exeter 5b [35]


Marriages Sep 1856
DREW Emma Exeter 5b 185
GRIBBLE Jane Exeter 5b 185
MANLEY Charles Exeter 5b 185
MAPLEDORAM William Exeter 5b 185

William is def mine-and he James C Mapledoram is James Curry Mapldoram-his mother was Mary Curry. so looks Like Fred in the war with Elizabeth (and maybe Lucy andmaybe he was calledRichard in between!) was descended from My William and Mary/Emma then?

thanks-I'll check these out at the Wetcountry studies library-many thanks

Murray is obviously a mistranscription. As Lucy seems to be Berry in other censuses, and no record of a Lucy Murray in Exeter.

Deaths Mar 1903
Berry Lucy 55 Exeter 5b 68

Certainly looks like it.

1861 England Census
Name: Lucy E Berry
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Caroline H
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil parish: Exeter St Paul
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Berry 38
Caroline H Berry 36
John J Berry 15
Emma Berry 13
Frank Berry 10
Lucy E Berry 8
Kate Berry 6
James Berry 4
Harry Berry 1

These are the only Lucy Berrys in Exeter.

Births Sep 1852
Berry Lucy Ellen Exeter 5b 94

Births Mar 1871
Berry Lucy Exeter 5b 102

Births Jun 1874
Berry Lucy Jane Exeter 5b 91
Deaths Sep 1874
Berry Lucy Jane 0 Exeter 5b 62

Marriages Dec 1878
Berry Lucy Ellen Exeter 5b 151

Marriages Dec 1878 This is an interesting one.
Berry Lucy Ellen Exeter 5b 151
GREENWAY John Exeter 5b 151
INCH Ellen Exeter 5b 151
OSMOND James Exeter 5b 151

Deaths Mar 1903
Berry Lucy 55 Exeter 5b 68

aah! thanks-and I just found Elizabeth Little in the next street to Fred and Lucy in 1901-she was already a widow-so looks like two widowed ones togetther!-will check marriage entries and burials to confirm things.thanks for all your help

for my own ref
1891

Elizabeth Little
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: St Mary Major
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Major
Town: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Little 32 -charwoman widow
Annie Little 9 daugh
Maud Little 5 daugh
Alfred Little 3 son
Josiah Rawlings 47 -lodger