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Hmmm, I went over this thread and can't see what appears to be a few posts. I seem to be having a lot of problems with Genes lately, mostly on the tree (old and new views), but this is the first time posts are missing in a thread. Thankyou for reposting that Jonesey.

Thankyou all again..

:-D

Wendy,

I cannot understand your statement about you being very puzzled as to where Charles Edward was in 1901. Here he is on the 1901 census which has already been indicated more than once on this thread:


1901 for reference:

Name: Charles E Cason
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Cason
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapton, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Tobacco Pipe Maker

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status: Worker

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 220
Folio: 165
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles E Cason 34
Elizabeth Cason 35
Charles Cason 3

I shall ask mum's cousin regarding that one.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Still very puzzled as to where Charles Edward was in 1901.

Just a thought.

If Lilian Elizabeth had mental problems she may well have been in an institution at the time of the 1901 census. It was common practice in some such places to record the inmates on census records only by their initials, not their name. If that was the situation in Lilian's case it would explain why she seemingly cannot be found in the 1901 census.

If she was in an asylum in Hackney then these are those in the area:

Brooke House (Lunatic Asylum), Hackney, HACKNEY

London House (Lunatic Asylum), South Hackney, HACKNEY

Mare Street House (Lunatic Asylum), South Hackney, HACKNEY

Pembroke House (Lunatic Asylum), South Hackney, HACKNEY

Sorry, but I have to go to bed, getting rather late, and an early start in the morning, Thankyou for the help, I will check in tomorrow night and see if there are any answers or questions arising from this.

In hindsight, I am wondering if Charles wrote on the 1911 census the number of living children at that address? That would explain why he omitted Lilian.
I am just looking up info on the home.

Ty for that, I was looking for the info on the institution. The word "inmate" conjours up all sorts of ideas!
Is that the 1901 census without Lilian again?

1901 for reference:

Name: Charles E Cason
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Cason
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapton, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 220
Folio: 165
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles E Cason 34
Elizabeth Cason 35
Charles Cason 3

1911:
Name: Elizabeth Cason
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Homerton, London, England
Civil parish: Bognor
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: Princess Mary Memorial House Surrey House Bognor
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891
Registration district: Westhampnett
Registration District Number: 85
Sub-registration district: Bognor
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 5375

N.B. It is a convalescent home for women.

Charles in 1911:
Name: Charles Edward Cason
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Merton
Civil parish: Whitechapel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 87 High Street, Whitechapel E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19
Estimated Marriage Year: 1892
Occupation: CARETAKER
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Whitechapel
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 1484
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Edward Cason 45
Charles Cason 13

Second forenames can be quite important when trying to identify individuals:

Marriages Sep 1891
Cason Charles Edward Hackney 1b 1064
Smith Elizabeth Hackney 1b 1064

It looks likely that Lilian Elizabeth Cason died in 1949:

Deaths Jun 1949
Cason Lilian E 56 Surrey Mid.E. 5g 152

Births Sep 1892
Cason Lilian Elizabeth Hackney 1b 519

Perhaps as Lilian Elizabeth was no longer resident in his household Charles Edward Cason considered that she was dead even though she wasn't.

Refreshing................

I have just been looking through my records, and found some interesting conflicts from 1911, and the census copy I have may not be the correct person.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Cason was the daughter of Henry Smith and Eliza Broomhead.
Lizzie was born 14/09/1865 Hackney.
In the 1891 census she is living with her parents at 13 The Grove, Homerton. Her father listed her name as Lizzie.
Later that year she married Charles Cason, born 1866, Homerton.
They had 2 children, Lilian Elizabeth, 1892, and Charles 1998, both born in Homerton.

All I can find for 1901 is
Charles Cason aged 3 born Clapton residing Hackney
Lilian Cason aged 9 born Millwall residing Poplar
Elizabeth aged 35 born Clapton residing in Hackney
No record for Charles aged 35

In the 1911 census, Charles is recorded as living at 87 High St., Whitechapel (Round Chapel), with his son Charles aged 3, and 3 employees. However, he is stated as married and having 1 child born and 1 child still living.
Daughter Lilian is recorded with her grandparents Henry and Eliza at 30 Churchill rd., Tresham Ave. Lower Clapton, but Henry has listed Lilian as a visitor. Another child, the son of another daughter is listed as his grandson. I find this unusual.
Elizabeth Cason, by the record I have, is in an institution as an inmate, recorded as married with 2 children born and still living. Although I have no address, it is possible it is in Westhampnett Sussex.

I have found another entry for an Elizabeth Cason, this time in Orsett Essex (which would make more sense, she may have been visiting someone).

My resources are limited to look through the records. The listings I have found are for pay to view sites, so I was unable to look at the records to find more details.

Lilian was born mentally handicapped, and spent most of her time with other family members, so it is not unexpected to find her away from her parents, but I am very curious as to where Elizabeth was in 1911, and to find more details to explain why Charles only recognised 1 child in 1911, and where was he in 1901?

Any help with 1901 and 1911 census' would be greatly appreciated.

SUCCESS!!!!!
Many many many thanks to all of you that have solved the riddles, and finally everything fits.
My mistake having initially found the wrong Great Grandmother.
The Cason's, Town's and Smith's are all related as sister's...my G Grandmother, and G Great Aunts.
Lilian turned out to be the daughter of Elizabeth Cason, who is the sister to Harriett Town, and the sisters of Eliza Fish, my G Grandmother.
I couldn't have done it without you all, and hope I can return the favour some day.
Wendy.

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Cason Lilian Elizabeth Hackney 1b 519


Do you think we can delve into Lilian a bit more? Maybe she is the connection we need. Obviously she must be the daughter of a Smith daughter...and the age of Elizabeth would fit in as Harriet's older sister. So Elizabeth was already married, therefore not listed with the rest of the family in my 1901 census...makes perfect sense. I have not been able to find any records of a sister to Charles, but this doesn't mean there wasn't one. She may have died young. And Charles died in 1918, which wouldn't have given him much time to meet, marry and have a child before he went to war, but not impossible.

I will add, Eliza's was born in Finchley, as were her siblings. Her mother Emma Harrison came also from Finchley, but her father Samuel was from Warwickshire - Edgbaston.
While Harriet Town's (Smith) family were all from Bethnal Green area. This only makes it a bit harder to connect.

Eliza's grandfather was William Smith (1826 Birmingham). His wife Hannah was born in 1831, so they couldn't have had a son born in 1841 to be Eliza's uncle. However, I am having trouble tracing William's parents and siblings, as records only start at 1841. Perhaps there is a younger brother Henry there.
Obviously I must look at the males to keep the Smith name there. Also interesting is trying to find the Cason/Smith link. I do know that Harriet Town (Smith) had a relative Lilian Cason. And Cason is not a common name.
All of these people in my mum's early life were connected.
It's become very intriguing

Thankyou all for the response.
Choccy has the correct census for the Casons. Their son Charlie was killed in 1818 in the war.
Let me tell you the story and the reason I asked about Lilian Casuns.
My great grandmother died when my nan was 13. An only child, she never spoke much of her family. They migrated to Australia, and it has only been the last couple of years I have tried to find my family.
Hariet Town was called nan by my mother, and I have photoes of her grandchildren Ron and Barbara. I have since found out she is a Smith. My G Grandmother was Eliza Smith, and immediately I see a possible connection. While searching data sent to me by a member, I see Lilian Casuns neice in the census, and remember mum telling me about Charlie and Lizzie Cason. I suspect a typo in the census, and search deeper to find Elizabeth Cason (yes choccy, correct census again), is ALSO A SMITH!

So now I have surname links, with Elizabeth, Harriet and Eliza all Smiths, as well as Cason.

My trouble is, Harriet's father appears to be a Henry Smith (1841), this is too old and too young to be a brother to any Eliza's known relations.

Oh dear, here's Elizabeth in 1911:

CASON, Elizabeth Inmat Married
20 years F 45 1866 London Homerton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5375 Reference:
RG14PN5375 RG78PN242 RD85 SD2 ED1 SN23

Registration District:
Westhampnett Sub District:
Bognor EnumerationDistrict:
1 Parish:
Bognor

Address:
Princess Mary Memorial Home Surrey Home Bognor County:
Sussex

1911 for Charles E Cason as above. He says he has been married 19 years and has had only one child, still living and with him. For number of rooms he has written "mission premises".

CASON, Charles Edward Head Married M 45 1866 Caretaker Homerton London VIEW
CASON, Charles Son M 13 1898 Scholar Homerton London VIEW
JONES, Selina Head Married
24 years F 45 1866 Matron Children's Bethnal Green VIEW
ASHBY, Mary Assistnt Married
40 years F 61 1850 Assistant Mastron Children's Clerkenwell VIEW
WILSON, Bessie Kate Single F 35 1876 Nurse-Day Nursary Turkish Arabia Bagdad VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1484 Reference:
RG14PN1484 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED8 SN112

Registration District:
Whitechapel Sub District:
Whitechapel EnumerationDistrict:
8 Parish:
Whitechapel

Address:
87 High Street Whitechapel E County:
London

Well done Choccy! That looks very hopeful!

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Cason Lilian Elizabeth Hackney 1b 519

1901 England Census
Name: Charles E Cason
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapton, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Cason 34
Elizabeth Cason 35
Charles Cason 3




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 220; Folio: 165; Page: 1.

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Marriages Sep 1891


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*****Cason Charles Edward Hackney 1b 1064
Field Emma Hackney 1b 1064
Roberts Thomas Edward Hackney 1b 1064
*****Smith Elizabeth Hackney 1b 1064