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I have been trying to find my gt grandmother on the 1861 and 1871 census' and cannot find her. Could you nice GR members help me please?

Sarah Jane Thompson was born C1858
She married in 1881 to George Carter in Wolverhampton

She then married my gt grandfather in 1887 again in Wolverhampton. I have the copy of this marriage certificate which states her father was Zacariah Thompson.

I cannot find either of them on the 1861 and 1871 census.

I have found a birth reference for a Sarah Jane Thompson in 1856 Dec 1/4 Dudley, Staffs Vol 6c Page 53 so I would have thought in 1861 and 1871 she would be in staffordshire somewhere.

What can I do to find this family?

Crucial info. missing. What was your gt grandfather's name?

Rose

If she married David Henry Robinson in 1887 she is listed as being born in Wolverhampton c1863/1864 in 1891, 1901 and 1911. Where does c1858 come from?

Rose

Rose - sorry, David Henry Robinson was my gt grandfather

as regards to 1858, I have no idea where I have got that info from. I have checked my notes and can't find anything for 1858, must have been having a senior moment.

Because I was looking for her birth around 1858, I came up with the one in Dudley (good job I didn't order the certificate!)

but I still cannot find her family in 1861 and 1871. All I know is that her father is called Zachariah and that she was a 24 year old widow when she married my gt grandfather David. So I am stuck

One possibility?

Name: Sarah Thompson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Zacharias
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Zacharias Thompson 30
Lousia Thompson 29
Sarah Thompson 7
Henry Thompson 2
Richard Thompson 18
Thomas Thompson 7

and that is exactly what was submitted to the IGI by an LDS member!!

Now we've got to prove it


Sarah Thompson Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 1864 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Zacharias Thompson Family
Mother: Louisa Thompson

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




sylvia

What was Zachariah/s occupation on the marriage certificate??




information from 1871 Census

Name Age
Zacharias Thompson 30 b.ca 1841, W hampton, Edge Tool Maker
Lousia Thompson 29 b.ca 1842, W hampton <<<<<< Lousia on image, but I wonder if it should be Louisa
Sarah Thompson 7 Scholar
Henry Thompson 2 b.ca 1869, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Richard Thompson 18 b.ca 1853, W hampton, Wife's Brother, Edge Tool Striker
Thomas Thompson 7 b.ca 1864, W hampton, Wife's Brother, Scholar

Address:- 1 Back of 88 Nechells Park Road




sylvia

hmmmm


i cannot find a marriage for a Zacharias/h Thompson to a Lousia/Louisa ....... only to an Elizabeth in 1862, in Nottinghamshire.


There was both a Zacharias and a Zachariah Thompson born at about the same time, one in Nottinghamshire and one in Staffordshire. Presumably the one born in Nottinghamshire is the one who married Elizabeth.


This is probably your Zacharias

1861 Census

Name: Zacharias Thompson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern

John Thompson 50
Elizabeth Thompson 49
Zacharias Thompson 20
Penelope Thompson 13
Edwin Thompson 10
John Thompson 7
John Whittall 57 Lodger



sylvia

Look for a birth under Whittaker:

Marriages Sep 1864

Thompson Zechariah Wolverhampton 6b 679
Whittaker Louisa Wolverhampton 6b 679

Rose

Perhaps?

Births Jun 1863
WHITTAKER Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 446

There are some Sarah Jane Whittakers but they're not born in Wolverhampton.

Rose

1881:

1881 England Census
about Louisa Thompson
Name: Louisa Thompson
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Court Warwick St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Thompson 37
Henry Thompson 12
Betsy Thompson 7
Joseph Mayfield 25
George Mayfield 15
Charles Byden 25


And next door is a Carter family. Perhaps the in-laws?

Rose

1881 census
Louisa Thompson widower1844 W Hampton occ charwoman
Henry son 1869 Birmingham
Betsy dau 1874 Birmingham
Joseph Mayfield visitor 1856 KN England occ blacksmith
George Mayfield visitor 1866 KN England.occ blacksmith
George Byden visitor 1856 KN England occ iron stamper

address 8 Court Warwick St Wolverhampton

Family of Carters also living 8 Court Warwick St

Perhaps your couple
.1881 census
George Carter 1857 W Hampton occ edge tool maker.
Sarah wife 1863 W Hampton occ Stover ( Japanner)

address 49 Warwick St Wolverhampton
Sarah wife


death
Zachariah Thompsom 1841 died mar qt 1876 Aston gro ref 6d 215

Hi All

Just tuned in from work. my, you have all been busy since I posted late last night.

Thank you all so much. This is the family!

seems Sarah was named after her grandmother and then she named her daugher after her own mother.

More certs to bye then! lol.

Great work everyone. and thanks again
Dee

added:

It is interesting to find the names passed down. It looks like my grandmother got her middle name (Betsy) from this side of the family too.

I can't believe you have found so much for me! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

You need to google English naming patterns because it explains why our families used the same name

Sylvia

Can you tell me where to find the information you had of Sarah Thompson birth in 1864 Wolverhampton. You have her father Zacharias and Mother Louisa. I've been trying to find her birth record so that I can order a certificated, but there are several possiblilities.

Sarah Thompson B June 14 1864 W'ton 6b 514
Sarah Thompson B Dec 1/4 1864 W'ton 6b 503 or
Sarah Jane Thompson B June 1/4 1868 Aston, Warwickshire 6d 299

Given that they were living in Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire in 1871
I have found a birth record for a Henry Wallace Thompson Sept 1/4 1869 Birmingham 9d 169 and
I have found a birth record for a Betsy Thompson Mar 1/4 1874 Aston 6d 345

I thought the last would be the one but the census gives her age as 7.

Zacharias ' family were from Aston and I think I may have found his parents (John & Elizabeth's marriage in Dec 1/4 1840 in Birmingham V16 397. Elizabeth's surname given as Burgess.

I really don't know which certificate to order?

Can you give me some advice on which one to choose?

Thank you again
Dee

Quinsgran

Thankyou, I knew of a naming pattern, but didn't know how it worked.

This clarify's the names on my mother's side of the family. Thank you!

Dee


that birht record I found was on www.familysearch.org ...... the Mormon site BUT it is a submitted record, therefore no backing documentation and nto to be trusted.


We couldn't find a suitable marraige, but Rose did find a Louisa WHITTAKER marrying Zacharias, and a Sarh Whittake born before the marriage. Hence her 2 postings of earlier today:-


Click on the purple REPLY button - not my name! Today at 01:48

Marriages Sep 1864

Thompson Zechariah Wolverhampton 6b 679
Whittaker Louisa Wolverhampton 6b 679

Rose


Click on the purple REPLY button - not my name! Today at 01:49
Perhaps?

Births Jun 1863
WHITTAKER Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 446

There are some Sarah Jane Whittakers but they're not born in Wolverhampton.

Rose






sylvia

now I am even more confused.

Should I get the birth of Sarah Whittaker then? assuming she was brought up as a Thompson??? Perhaps I should leave it and go into W'ton records offices to find any baptisms?

If you are able to check baptisms then do that first

I have just found a baptism for a Jane Thompson daughter of Zacariah (Edge Tool maker) and Louisa Thompson of Little moore Street, Wolverhampton on 11/7/1865.

Now, can one assume that Jane is Sarah Jane?

and strangely, Sarah Jane's daughter Elsie Betsy (my grandmother) lived at 12 Little moore Street between 1911 and 1916, and may have before that.

too much of a coincidence.

I think I need to pay a trip into W'ton Archives and look up some rent books etc to see if I can find anything.