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1861
George Cooper 45 servant
John Dingley 19 servant
Ann Dingley 14 servant

Hi Cherilyn,

Firstly,

John Davies in 1861 shows profession as China Gilder. The live at 39 Cheswardine Lane.

Here they are in 1871

Name: John Davies
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Stockton
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield
Town: Norton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Shiffnal
Sub-registration district: Albrighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Davies 57
Mary A Davies 47
Lucy A Davies 11
Louida Baker 3
Beatrice M Baker 1

Louida & Beatrice are grandchildren.

Forgot to ask (sorry)

In 1861 Daniel Penfold c1827 census, are these 3 servants?

George Cooper 45
John Dingley 19
Ann Dingley 14

Hm, thanks Sharon for looking. Might have to leave this one for now!

Moving back to the DAVIES side...Would the 1851 census shed any light on Edwin's father's occupation or wasn't it shown then? (he was John DAVIES b. c1813 Stockton Salop, with wife Mary Ann b.c1823 and possibly newborn daughter Margaret). And is he around in 1871 (trying to work out if he died in 1869 or 1880 Shifnal as both fit agewise)?

Thanks again for all your help and patience on all this! :-)

Can't find the others in 1891 though

This could be James in 1891

Name: James Pinfold
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: No Eceleshall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Pinfold 30
Annie Pinfold 34
Florrie Wall 4



Florie is a neice.

Thanks Sharon, I agree, it is all too weird.

Can you see them in 1891 by any chance? (please? I know I'm pushing my luck on this one!)

And the mystery continues, Daniels birthplace is the same on all censuses.


Wm J has the same birth place also, Eccleshall.

Can't see Daniel aged 5 living elsewhere.

Sharon

Can anyone help with this please? Still trying to work out if it is the same Daniel PINFOLD snr here in 1881:
Daniel PINFOLD
Head M Male 53 Middleton Cheney, Northampton, England Flour Mill Manager
as in Eccleshall, Stone, Staffs in 1861 and 1871. He definitely did have a son born there...

The birthplaces of the two boys as per my previous post above would help out a lot...!

(Had a thought - does Daniel PINFOLD/PENFOLD jnr b. Birmingham appear somewhere else in 1861, aged 5?)

Have to go out now, may not get back on til later (or possibly tomorrow)

Thanks for all your help and time so far!!
x

What is the birthplace for the Daniel PENFOLD in 1871 aged 15? Does it match the 1881 one (ie Birmingham, Warwick)?

And what about Wm J aged 3 in 1861, and aged 23 with brother Daniel in 1881 - was he born in Eccleshall???

Yes, I realised that about Samuel Henry, am confused about Daniel & the other Samuel though.

Sharon

Samuel Hy b. 1879 was a son of Daniel and his 2nd wife Emma (m. 1877). He went to NZ where he married and died. He was a brother of Alfred Edward/George (1884) and Mary Frances (1884) both born Rugby.

These sibs births are confirmed by dates in the family Bible (my friend's family - Alfred was her grandfather. I have another thread looking for his marriage, which the lovely Richard found for me!)

This is them in 1881
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Daniel PINFOLD
Head M Male 53 Middleton Cheney, Northampton, England Flour Mill Manager
Emma PINFOLD
Wife M Female 45 Tamfield, Stafford, England
Samuel H. PINFOLD
Son Male 1 Eccleshall, Stafford, England
John W. SWIFT
Stepson Male 13 Beach, Stafford, England

________________________________________
Source Information:
Dwelling Lawford Rd
Census Place Bilton, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341734

Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3078 / 128
Page Number 16

Doe seem a huge coincidence that the other Samuel PINFOLD is also a farmer and miller in Eccleshall!

Daniel's 2nd wife Emma was 1st married to William Walker SWIFT (1842-1870) in 1865 in Stone (which is where he died). So the place names all fit...very confusing!

Found these births

Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Pinfold William John Stone 6b 32

Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
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PINFOLD James Talbot Stone 6b 29

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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PINFOLD Samuel Henry Stone 6b 43

Starting to think we are dealing with two different families

These brothers in the 1881 census must be connected somehow??

Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Daniel E. PINFOLD
Head M Male 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England Farmer & Miller
Alice M. PINFOLD
Wife M Female 25 Norton In Hales, Shropshire, England
William J. PINFOLD
Brother U Male 23 Eccleshall, Stafford, England Farmer & Miller
James MATHEWS
Servant U Male 20 Eccleshall, Stafford, England Farm Servant (Indoors)
Richard GILBERT
Servant U Male 16 Eccleshall, Stafford, England Farm Servant (Indoors)

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Source Information:
Dwelling Walk Mill Rd
Census Place Eccleshall, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341645

Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2694 / 56
Page Number 10

Now this has really confused me

Daniel in 1861

Name: Daniel Penfold
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hodleton, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Croxton
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield
Town: Croxton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stone
Sub-registration district: Eccleshall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Penfold 34
Hannah Penfold 34
Wm John Penfold 3
James Penfold 9 Mo
George Cooper 45
John Dingley 19
Ann Dingley 14

Daniel Pinfold was a famer & miller, clara was the domestic help. So was a farm.

Father born stockton, can' t make out his profession though, china.........

Sorry need new glasses.

Edwin was an apprentice so a boader I would imagine.

Sharon

Ah here's Hannah's death:

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Pinfold Hannah 49 Stone 6b 28

:-)

Can't find Samuel or Daniel jnr's births tho...

Goodness, 3 servants! Does it say what his occupation was? I am assuming this was a house and not a farm then?