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Dennis
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27 Sep 2009 18:19 |
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Please may I ask for a lookup on Ralph Bye b1827 Anstey, Herts. Believe he married in 1848 Islington - trying to find name of his wife and any children - married again 1873 in Herts so may be in Hertsfor 1861 census.
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Dennis
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27 Sep 2009 18:24 |
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Ralph Bye Birth 1827 in Anstey, Hertfordshire , England Death Parents & Siblings Robert Bye (1791-1866) Sarah South (1792-) Spouse & Children Charlotte Chappel (1830-) Emma Bye (1865-) George Bye (1868-) Timeline( View details ) 1827 Birth Anstey, Hertfordshire , England 1881 Age: 54 Census Village Cottages Anstey Hertfordshire Family Members Parents Robert Bye 1791 – 1866 Sarah South 1792 – Spouse & Children Charlotte Chappel 1830 – Emma Bye 1865 – George Bye 1868 –
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27 Sep 2009 18:29 |
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1st wife Name: Ralph Bye Year of Registration: 1848 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Islington County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 3 Page: 216 spouse >>> Jane Harper
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27 Sep 2009 18:32 |
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Ralph BYE Head M Male 54 Anstey, Hertford, England Ag Lab Charlotte BYE Wife M Female 52 Buntingford, Hertford, England Emma Ch. BYE Daur In Law U Female 16 Anstey, Hertford, England Domestic Servant George Ch. BYE Son In Law Male 13 Anstey, Hertford, England Domestic Servant
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Village Cottage Census Place Anstey, Hertford, England Family History Library Film 1341343 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1409 / 6 Page Number 5
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27 Sep 2009 18:33 |
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RALPH BYE Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 18 FEB 1827 Anstey, Hertford, England Parents: Father: ROBERT BYE Family Mother: SARAH Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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27 Sep 2009 18:34 |
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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1839 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Bristol 11 111
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1840 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BYE Jane Bradfield 6 101 BYE Jane Bradfield 6 97
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1845 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BYE Jane S Stoneham 7 177
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1847 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Hackney 3 201
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BYE Jane Tetbury 11 381
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BYE Jane Plomesgate 12 281
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1853 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Camberwell 1d 281
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1855 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Stow 4a 388
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Basingstoke 2c 98
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Epsom 2a 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1859 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Faringdon 2c 168
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Sarah St Thomas 5b 40
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1862 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane St. Olave 1d 32
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1862 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane Ann Eton 3a 226
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1863 (90%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane St James 1a 299 Bye Jane St James 1a 287
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane 34 Winchester 2c 71
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1868 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane 28 Cheltenham 6a 2_8
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BYE Jane 72 Henley 3a 421
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Jane 22 Risbridge 4a 261
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27 Sep 2009 18:39 |
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hi 1901 census Address Anstey Village Civil Parish Anstey Rural District Buntingford Town or Village or Hamlet Anstey Ecclesiastical Parish Anstey Parliamentary Borough or Division Hitchin County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Administrative County Hertford Householder 1 Name Charlotte Bye Relation to Head of Family Wife Condition as to Marriage Married Age Last Birthday 73 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Herts Bunlingford Language Infirmity Householder 2 Name Ralph Bye Relation to Head of Family Head Condition as to Marriage Married Age Last Birthday 74 Sex Male Profession or Occupation Labourer On Road Lab Employment Status Where Born Herts Ansley. Language Infirmity
1891 census Name Ralph Bye Age 64 Estimated Year of Birth 1827 Relationship to Head of Household HEAD Occupation AGRICULTURAL LABOURER Address Cottage District Royston, Buntingford Parish Administrative County Hertfordshire Birth Place Anstey Birth County HERTFORDSHIRE in house ralph head 64 charlotte wife 63
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Sep 2009 18:45 |
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You may have this, but I'm just trying to get my head into Ralph's history
1841 Census
Name: Ralph Bye Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Anstey Hundred: Edwinstree County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration district: Buntingford and Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Ralph Bye 15 Ag Lab
Address:- Cheapside
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ralph Bye Name: Ralph Bye Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Spouse Name: Jane Harper Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Nov 1848 Parish: Holy Trinity County: Middlesex Borough: Islington Father Name: Charles Bye Spouse Father Name: John Harper
from actual image:-
Ralph: age 26, Butcher, Address: No 2 Northampton Row
Charles Bye Butcher
Jane: age 25 Spinster no occupation shown Address:- No 2 Little St John's Wood Villas, Highbury (??0
John Harper: Gentleman
Witnesses: Thomas Baker and Mary Lwrence
all could sign their names
EDIT:- IMPORTANT ..... this may not be the marriage of YOUR Ralph Bye .... see below
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Sep 2009 18:49 |
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The Ralph Bye who married Jane Harper MAY NOT BE YOUR Ralph Bye
I found this baptism record
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Ralph Bye Record Type: Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1822 Father's Name: Charles Bye Mother's Name: Mary Bye Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London County: London
from image:-
Born 11 May 1822
Address:- Beauchamp Street
Charles' occupation:- Butcher
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27 Sep 2009 18:57 |
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There ARE two Ralph Byes:-
1871 Census
Ralph Bye abt 1823 Holloway, Middlesex, England Brother-in-law Hackney St John, London
Ralph Bye Sarah abt 1827 Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Son Anstey, Hertfordshire
This one is yours, born in Hertfordshire
1871 Census
1871 England Census Name: Ralph Bye Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Anstey County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration district: Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Sarah Bye 81 b.ca 1790, Anstey, Widow Ralph Bye 44 Ag Lab
This is the London one ... still married to Jane (nee Harper)
Name: Ralph Bye Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney
John W Harper 58 Unmarried, Clothier Ralph Bye 48 Married, Butcher Jane Bye 48 Sister, Married, Domestic Duties Alice E Bye 20 Niece, Domestic Duties Address:- 18 Norfolk Road
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27 Sep 2009 19:03 |
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The following Public Member Trees on ancestry.co.uk apparently have information on Ralph Bye born in Hertfordshire
....... who seems to have married only ONCE ....... which was probably after his mother died!
I suggest that you may want to consider taking out a 2 week free trial in ancestry, if not a full membership, in order to look at these trees yourself, and to make contact with the owners of the trees.
You do have to be somewhat careful with trees .... it is apparent that some people just take information from other people, and do not check whether it is correct or not!
Cockman_family_tree Public Member Tree Unsourced
Ralph Bye Birth: 1827 - Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England Spouse: Charlotte (Unknown)
F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
sue cockman Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: 1827 - Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England Spouse: Charlotte Chappel
F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
Peck-Gallavan Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: 1827 - Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robert Bye M: Sarah A South
sleightholme1 Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: Feb 1827 - Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
Booth Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: 1827 - Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robard Bye M: Sarah South
Smith/ChalkleyFamily Tree Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: Feb 1827 - Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
The Jay & Pearce Family Tree Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: Feb 1827 - Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robard Bye M: Sarah South
baldwin-cockman family tree Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: 1827 - Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Spouse: Charlotte Chappel
F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
BERYLVandepeer Family Tree Public Member Tree Unsourced Ralph Bye Birth: Feb 1827 - Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
Surrey Hills Public Member Tree 1 attached record, 2 sources Ralph Bye Birth: Feb 1827 - Anstey, Hertfordshire, England F: Robert Bye M: Sarah South
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Sep 2009 19:08 |
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I am searching for Ralph between 1841 and 1871, but having difficulty!!
here is mother Sarah with husband, and 3 children, but not Ralph in 1851
1851 Census
Name: Sarah Bye Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Anstey County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration district: Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Robert Bye 59 Ag Lab Sarah Bye 58 Abigail Bye 24 At Home Thomas Bye 19 b.ca 1832, Ag Lab Eliza Bye 15 At Home
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SylviaInCanada
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27 Sep 2009 19:12 |
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Found him in 1861 ...... good mis-transcription!!!
1861 Census
Name: Sarah Bye Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Anstey County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration district: Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Robert Bye 72 Sarah Bye 70 Brafe Bye 34 Unmarried, Ag Lab
It DOES look Like Brafe or Rrafe on the image
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Dennis
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27 Sep 2009 19:48 |
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Many thanks to you all for such a large response. Death of first wife Jane looks like it could be a problem but should be either a London or Herts area one - correction I believe that London one now does not relate to this Ralph - thank you for pointing this out.
Thanks again to you all.
Best wishes
Dennis
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27 Sep 2009 19:51 |
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I cannot not find Ralph Bye born in Hertfordshire in 1851
I ahve tried every trick that I know
using forename only using surname only using 1827 +/- 10 years, born Anstey, Hertfordshire AND born Hertfordshire only using 1827 +/- 10 years living in Anstey
and, finally
searching the whole census for the village of Anstey in 1851
NADA
His parents and 3 siblings are there, but not him
I cannot spot any possible mistranscription ..... no matter how wild!!
maybe someone else will have better luck!
I wonder if he was in prison or hospital/asylum where they often use initials only ...... but that should have been brought out by the birth year + born in Hertforshire ..................... unless they didn't even put that!
I did find the London Ralph Bye, living with his in-laws, and for reference will post that here with the note that this is NOT the Ralph we are looking for, as this one can be traced right through later censuses!
1851 Census
Name: Ralf Bye Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney
John Harper 38 Phoebe Harper 58 Ralf Bye 28 Jane Bye 28 Alice Bye 10 Mo
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27 Sep 2009 19:53 |
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Dennis
how many times do I have to say it
YOUR RALPH BYE IS NOT THE RALPH BYE WHO MARRIED JANE!!!
There are two separate Ralph Byes, born at about the same time ...... one in London, and one in Anstey, Hertfordshire.
The London one is a Butcher, and married Jane
The Hertfordshire one is an Agricultural Labourer, and did not marry at all until 1873.
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27 Sep 2009 20:02 |
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1871 Census
Ralph Bye abt 1823 Holloway, Middlesex, England Brother-in-law Hackney St John, London
Name Age John W Harper 58 Brother-in-law Ralph Bye 48 Butcher Jane Bye 48 Wife Alice E Bye 20 Daughter
Ralph Bye Sarah abt 1827 Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Son Anstey, Hertfordshire
Name Age Sarah Bye 81 Mother Ralph Bye 44 Ag Lab
1881 Census
Ralph Bye Sarah Ann abt 1823 Holborn St Andrews Head Stoke Newington, London
Name Age Ralph Bye 58 Butcher Sarah Ann Bye 62 Wife, born in Wales Letitia Fell 75 Boarder Mary Robins 63 Servant
Ralph Bye Charlotte abt 1827 Anstey, Hertfordshire, England Head Anstey, Hertfordshire
Name Age Ralph Bye 54 Ag Lab Charlotte Bye 52 b. Buntingford, Hertfordshiire Emma Ch. Bye 16 daughter-in-law .... ie, STEPDAUGHTER, domestic servant George Ch. Bye 13 son-in-law ... ie, STEPSON, domestic servant
From this census it looks as though Jane Bye died between 1871 and 1881, and the London Ralph then married Sarah Ann BUT the Hertfordshire Ralph is alive and well with Charlotte in Anstey ... and she apparently had two children before she married Ralph.
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27 Sep 2009 20:10 |
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Marriage registrations, from freebmd.org.uk
The Hertfordshire Ralph:-
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%) Bye Ralph Royston 3a 375 Chappel Charlotte Royston 3a 375
The London Ralph:-
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) BURTON Sarah Anne Pancras 1b 203 BYE Ralph Pancras 1b 203
This is probably the death of Jane Bye, because of the age and location, but I don't know where the middle name came from!!
Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%) Bye Jane Washington 51 Hackney 1b 281
To complete the information:-
death registration for James Chappel, Charlotte's husband
Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%) Chappel James 43 Royston 3a 185
but I still haven't found the Hertfordshire Ralph Bye on the 1851 Census! So who knows where he is hiding.
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Dennis
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28 Sep 2009 12:30 |
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Hi Sylvia
Thanks for your message but I thought that I'd agreed with you that there were two Ralph's - my message timed 19:48.
Thanks also for the additional info on both marriages.
Best wishes
Dennis
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Dennis
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28 Sep 2009 13:06 |
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Did she marry to get name Chappel?
Marriages Dec 1849 Possible -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barker Edmund Royston &. 6 1059 Bentley Susan Royston 6 1059 Catley Charles Royston & 6 1059 Catley Lotitia Royston * 6 1059 Chappel James Royston &. 6 1059 Dellow Hannah Royston 6 1059 Gilbey William Royston & 6 1059 Smith Mary Ann Royston 6 1059 Welch Charlotte Royston 6 1059
If she was Charlotte Welsh then is this her Christening? CHARLOTTE WELCH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christening: 03 OCT 1830 Ansty, Warwick, (is this county wrong?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOSEPH WELCH Family Mother: ANN
This then could be death of husaband James Chappel Deaths Sep 1871 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chappel James 43 Royston 3a 185
May appear on 1871 census with family group.
Remarried 1873
Two children brought into marriage listed on 1881 census Ralph Bye 54 Ag Lab Charlotte Bye 52 b. Buntingford, Hertfordshiire Emma Ch. Bye 16 daughter-in-law .... ie, STEPDAUGHTER, domestic servant George Ch. Bye 13 son-in-law ... ie, STEPSON, domestic servant
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