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Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 17:47

Hi i have been contacted through a hot match and now i am unsure of some information. I have a William Smailes b1831, mother Jane Aynsley b1806, father Thomas Smailes b1811. I have a marriage for William twice first to a Catherine Walby and then to an Isabella Mudd. Could anyone please find out if this is true. Thank you

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 18:01

Marriage

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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THOMAS SMAILES Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JANE AYNSLEY Family
Marriage:
07 APR 1832 Saint Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M016101 1597 - 1686 0095010 Film 6905684 Film
M016101 1656 - 1741 0095011 Film NONE
M016101 1741 - 1785 0095012 Film NONE
M016101 1785 - 1823 0095013 Film NONE
M016101 1813 - 1837 0847927 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 18:03

Yes that was Williams parents.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 18:07

1841 England Census
about Thomas Smiles
Name: Thomas Smiles
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Morpeth
Hundred: Castle (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Smiles 30
Jane Smiles 35
William Smiles 10
Thomas Smiles 5
Robert Smiles 4
James Smiles 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 822; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Morpeth; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 4; Page: 13; Line: 10; GSU roll: 438886.

image does say Smiles .
If William Smailes was born in 1831 then he was born before his parents marriage?


same family in 1851



1851 England Census
about Thomas Smailes
Name: Thomas Smailes
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Warenford, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: High and Low Highlaws
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Warreners House

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Morpeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Smailes 43 Head , Farm Labourer
Jane Smailes 48 wife
Thomas Smailes 17 son, Farm servant
Robert Smailes 13 son
James Smailes 11 son
John Smailes 7 son
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2418; Folio: 108; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87096.

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 18:12

Yes that is right. I never noticed that they got married before the birth of William. Thank you

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 18:22

When and where did he marry two times?

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 18:26

I dont have the dates of the marriage but i have the children from both marriages. First marriage John 1856, jane 1862 and Thomas 1860. Second marriage Annie 1883, Elsie 1892, George 1881, John 1886, Alice 1895 and Emily 1888

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 Aug 2009 18:33

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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MUDD Isabel Darlington 10a 41
Mudd Isabell Darlington 10a 41
SMAILES William Darlington 10a 41


Andy

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 18:37

ok which one is it, can you find out ?

Dea

Dea Report 24 Aug 2009 18:48

Only one wife - 2 spellings - Isabel and Isabell !

Dea x

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 Aug 2009 18:48

Possible 1861 census

1861 England Census
about Jno Smailes
Name: Jno Smailes
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Cath
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Widdington
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Smailes 30
Cath Smailes 45
Wm Straffin 20 Wifes son
Thos Smailes 6
Jno Smailes 4
Jno Smailes 17
Thos Walby 67 Wifes uncle
Isaac Trumble 21

Andy


Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 18:59

Ok so was Catherine married before.? due to William Straffin

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 19:13

Is this the same William & Catherine.......when he was "married " to Isabella?


1891 England Census
about William Smailes
Name: William Smailes
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Hebron; Morpeth, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Amble
Ecclesiastical parish: Amble
Town: Amble
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:73 Marks Row

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Alnwick
Sub-registration district: Warkworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smailes 61 General Labourer
Catherine Smailes 75 wife
Mary Bohills 73 widow, visitor
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4262; Folio 16; Page 25; GSU roll: 6099372.


Deaths Mar 1902
Bohills Mary 84 Morpeth 10b 275




1881 England Census
about William Smailes
Name: William Smailes
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Hebron, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: East Chevington
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: North Broomhill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Colly Horse Keeper

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smailes 51
Catherine Smailes 65
John Strengham 18 grandson
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5118; Folio: 94; Page: 4; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342236.


1871 census.....same couple.


1871 England Census
about William Smails
Name: William Smails
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Cathrine
Gender: Male
Where born: Bothal, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Hepscott
Ecclesiastical parish: Morpeth
Town: [Hepscott Moor and Railway Crossings]
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smails 41 Ag Lab
Cathrine Smails 55
John Smails 14
Jane Smails 9
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5165; Folio: 8; Page: 9; GSU roll: 848483.

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 19:18

It does sound like it but who is John.? sorry just seen grandson

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 19:31

Not sure cause it is spelt differently. Should i cancel Isabella from my tree ?

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 19:33

Why would her children have that surname. I am getting confused?

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 19:51

Catherines uncle's name was WALBY but her sons name was STRAFFYN OR STRAUGHAN or STRAFFIN depending how it was heard and spelled on the census so could Catherine always have been a Straughan before her marriage to William Smailes?


1841 England Census
about Cathar Straughan
>>>>>>>>>>>Name: Cathar Straughan
Age: 25
>>>>>>>>>>>Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Pearson 28
Elizth Pearson 26
John Pearson 2
Mary Pearson 9 Mo
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cathar Straughan 25 ind
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 846; Book: 1; Civil Parish: All Saints; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 19; Folio: 20; Page: 4; Line: 1; GSU roll: 438898.

Update,
the census entry above is
NOT THE CORRECT CATHERINE

see 1841 census below

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 19:55

If her uncles surname was Walby, then her maiden surname must of been Walby. Thats why im thinking was she married before.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 Aug 2009 20:02

Not neccessarily....perhaps her uncle was her mothers brother or perhaps he was her fathers sisters husband,

Lania

Lania Report 24 Aug 2009 20:06

True, can you find Catherine's birth.