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Hi Lorraine,

Sorry this is where the line goes dead as i only have his marriage and Death certs, i have not been able to locate his birth place...His marriage cert states: 15th Dec 1891, Henry Aldridge, age 25, Merchant Seaman, 36 Park Street, Poplar, (Father) William Aldridge (Captain). (Wifes details) Lucy Ann Trinder, 19, 26 Caroline Street, (Father) Frederick Trinder (Carman).

Death Cert: Jan 1900, Henry George Alldridge, age32, Merchant Seaman, 11 Park Place, Poplar, Informant: LA Alldridge..

Sorry but that is all i have.

Many Thanks

Debbie

hi debbie

having trouble with henry

will keep looking but it may be he was away at sea in 1891 as i see from his marriage cert he was a merchant seaman

have found what i think is lucy with her family in 1891

1891 England Census
about Lucy Trinder
Name: Lucy Trinder
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Lavinia
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Trinder 52
Lavinia Trinder 48
Alice Trinder 24
Frederick Trinder 22
John Trinder 20
Lucy Trinder 15
George Trinder 13
Laura Trinder 11
Arthur Trinder 8
Emily Trinder 6


fredericks occupation is carman and he was born in gloucestershire

mother and children born stepney

address is 21 gill street tower hamlets which is the same district as poplar


1881 England Census
about Frederick Trinder
Name: Frederick Trinder
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lavinia
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Ratcliffe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 123 Brook St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carman

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Ratcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Trinder 40
Lavinia Trinder 35
Alice Trinder 14
Frederick Trinder 12
John Trinder 10
Lucy Trinder 5
George Trinder 4
Laura Trinder 1





found this on a family tree




Henry George Alldridge


1861 in Maidstone, Kent, England, United Kingdom

Death
26 Jan 1900 in 11 Park Place, Poplar, London, England, United Kingdom




Marriage to Lucy Ann Trinder
St Mary's Church, Stepney, London, England, United Kingdom
1891 Dec Mile End Old Town 1c/911 (Aldridge) Witnesses: Mary Ann & John Trinder - Lucy's Age Shown As 19

Spouse & Children

Lucy Ann Trinder 1875 –
Henry Frederick Alldridge 1892 – Lucy Rhoda Lavinia Alldridge 1897 – 1897 Frederick George Alldridge 1900 – 1957


according to the tree henry father died in 1870 and his mother married robert henry green in 1873


williams occuption on the other childrens birth cert was captain of barge which seems to fit i will see if any of this checks out


this seems to be the birth cert of henry george alldridge referred to above the only way to check it out would be to send for it though

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Henry George Alldridge
Name: Henry George Alldridge
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Maidstone
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 455

marriage of his parents

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Lavinia Hills
Name: Lavinia Hills
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: North Aylesford
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 387

William Alldridge 1853



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Lavinia Alldridge
Name: Lavinia Alldridge
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Maidstone
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 906

Robert Henry Green


henry with mother in 1871


1871 England Census
about Levina Alldridge
Name: Levina Alldridge
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England
Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Levina Alldridge 37
William I Alldridge 14
Henry G Alldridge 9
John E Alldridge 5

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henrys father

his a part of crew occupation should read barge master on the vessel union

john is also listed as crew barge hand
born maidstone

1861 England Census
about William Alldridge
Name: William Alldridge
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Baye Master (Master)
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone

Civil parish: Vessels
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: Union (6)
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Alldridge 36
John Hy Alldridge 29
William West 18
Thos Chappell 26
Elisabeth Chappell 24



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about William Alldridge
Name: William Alldridge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 44
District: Thanet
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 476

lavinia and williams children

William Joshua Alldridge 1857 – Jane Alldridge 1859 – Henry George Alldridge 1861 – 1900 John Edward Alldridge

also found this on national archives

henry and lucys sons medals from the navy

the is a cost of £3.50 to view the records

Image details

Description Name Alldridge, Henry Frederick
Official Number: K9565
Place of Birth: Poplar, London

Date 19 August 1892
Catalogue reference ADM 188/886
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 9501-10000
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7138566&queryType=1&resultcount=3

Hi Lorraine,

Thank you for that...do you know who's tree the info was on....Frederick George Aldridge 1900 -1957 is my G Grandfather, (he was also a Merchant Seaman)...The only thing that i am having trouble with is Lucy had only turned 16 when she married and on her marriage cert she has put down 19.....Henry Aldridge has his age as 25, but if he is the same HG Aldridge as the one you found his age should of been 30, and he would of been 39 when he died although his death cert says 32. Do you reckon he told a few porkies as well????? That s Lucy with her family in 1891 and 1881.

Thanks

Debbie

debbie

death cert details are usually given by next of kin who sometimes do not know all the facts and if someone lied about their it could continue, at 16 lucy would have needed her parents permission to marry so maybe she also added on years to marry, I think more checks are done for marriages than years ago. If lucy was only 16 and henry 32 he probably took years off and she added them on due the large age gap.


my grandmother was married under her mothers married even though she was born when her mother was unmarried, and never changed her named legally.


I will take another look at the family tree info if you want me to pass on a message to the tree holder pm me your email and i will pass it on.

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Hello Lorraine, thanks for the kind offer. I did put this up as a thread yesterday but no luck yet. I am looking for the following on the 1841. Thisis the 1851 in Deptford, Greenwich, kent (now London)

George Perkins, 45, stoker, born Hampstead Middx
Ann, wife, 41, born Hampstead
John, son 14, labourer
Sarah, 12, born Deptford, Kent
Mary, 12, born deptford
Fanny, 9, deptford
Charles, 5, deptford
Harriet, age 2

They are sometimes mistranscribed as Parkins. There is a possibility that George was in prison in Maidstone, Kent at some point. His wife Ann is down as a widow on 1861 Deptford but there is a line crossed though.

Any help is appreciated, Thank you,

Selena

Hi Lorraine, Thankyou for your offer for lookups.
Do you think you could look at Canada for me please - here are the details:
Joseph Jones aged 44
Sarah Jones aged 44
possible children are:
David Jones aged 15
Lily Jones aged 17
Mona Jones, aged 13
Sarah Jones aged 11

This would be how old they would be on the 1911 Canadian census if they are there. They are on the UK 1901 but family folklore said they went to Canada sometime after 1901

Many thanks

Anne

selina

i have found this one



ignore the fact that john, sarah and mary are under the name of taylor, george taylor is listed as living there and then the childens names are listed after his so the indexer has assumed they are his children not the perkin family



1841 England Census
about Geo Parkin
Name: Geo Parkin
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Hundred: Blackheath
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas Deptford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Geo Parkin 35
Ann Parkin 30
Ann Parkin 10
Geo Parkin 7
Geo Taylor 40
John Taylor 5
Mary Taylor 2
Sarah Taylor 2
Frances Taylor 6 Mo

ann

just to confirm the family in 1901

1901 England Census
about Joseph H Jones
Name: Joseph H Jones
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 176
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph H Jones 34
Sarah Jones 34
Lily Jones 7
David E Jones 5
Mona M Jones 3
Sarah E Jones 8 months
Maria Jones 77
Annie Thomas 32
Mary L Hellstern 13


looks like the canada story was right

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Joseph H Jones
Name: Joseph H Jones
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Date of Arrival: 6 May 1907
Vessel: Virginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Virginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-489

travelling with

sarah aged 40
lily aged 13
david 11
mona 9
sarah 6
albert 2
and an unamed infant

final destination montreal

josephs occupation is cardriver



still looking for them on the 1911 canadian

Lorraine,
I don't know how to thank you, this story has been around for years but i had no proof of it
Thank you sooooooooooooo much
Anne...xxxxx

Hi Lorraine, thanks so much. A family member had told me about this census (address Frenches Fields) but we had disregarded it because of George Taylor. What you say makes perfect sense. Also Frances age 6 months, later lives in Frenches Fields when she is married. I think its definately them.

Thanks so much

Selena

Hi Lorraine,

Thanks for the kind offer.

I've got a shelley family going to Canada between 1883 and 1885 possibly 1887.

Joseph Shelley is the head and born 1847 with a wife ruth formerly muston or mustin born 1846 both born in staffordshire i think.

They had 5 children when they left for Canada and were in Tamworth, Staffordshire before they went.

Rowland Shelley 1874
Sarah E Shelley 1876
George Shelley 1878
Amelia Shelley 1879
Emma Shelley 1883

2 more born in Canada John Robson Shelley and Victor Shelley.

I can't find a birth record for John but have found Victor born 24th July 1887 Norwich, Oxford, Ontario.

I have found them all on the 1891 Canadian Census:
Province: Ontario
District Name: Brant South
District Number: 49
Sub-District Name: Brantford West
Household number: 159

It would be a great help if you could find them on passenger lists or the details of John's birth.

I know most of them were back in England in the 1901 Census in Chatham Kent but i think a couple of the children may have stayed in Canada, any info. on this would be a great help too.

Thanks,

Caroline

ann

having trouble finding them on the 1911 in canada

have found this for son david

Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about David E Jones
Name: David E Jones
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1896
Birth Location: Liverpool, England
Relative: Joseph H Jones
Regiment Number: 457530

gives father joseph as next of kin and fathers address as 567 6th ave rosemon? not sure of the spelling , montreal

occupation carpenter

so they where definatly still there in 1915 when the document was signed you can view canadian attestation papers free at canada collections online

Thank you again Lorraine, you do sterling work for others and it is really appreciated.
I have been on a high since you found this family for me!
kind regards

Anne

caroline

just to confirm the 1891 canada

1891 Census of Canada
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 49
District: Brant South
Subdistrict: Brantford West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Shelley 45
Ruth Shelley 45
Rowland Shelley 17
Sarah E Shelley 16
George Shelley 14
Amelia Shelley 12
Emma Shelley 8
John Shelley 6
Victor Shelley 3


1881 in uk before they went
says ruth was born in birmingham, rowland in hammersmith middlesex and the other children staffordshire

1881 England Census
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Kingswinford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Commonside
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Brass Founder

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Shelley 34
Ruth Shelley 35
Rowland Shelley 7
Sarah E. Shelley 5
George Shelley 3
Amelia Shelley 1


looks like rowland stayed and went to usa

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Arrival Date: Nov 1907
Age: 34
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Ship Name: Canadian Pacific Railroad
Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canad

gives his next of kin as father joseph shelley england

rowlands destiantion is seattle
his last residence was brandon or branton

1920 United States Federal Census
about Rowland Sheeley
Name: Rowland Sheeley
[Rowland Shelley]
Home in 1920: Oakland, Alameda, California
Age: 46 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Laura J
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1908
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 585
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rowland Sheeley 46
Laura J Sheeley 36


laura born california
rowlands occupation painter
his emmigration year to usa is 1908 which fits with the usa boarder immigration

definatly the right one the mothers maiden name fits

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Social Security #: 0
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1873
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 22 Mar 1950
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Muston
Father's Surname: Shelley

1930 United States Federal Census
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Home in 1930: Oakland, Alameda, California
View Map
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Laura
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rowland Shelley 58
Laura Shelley 48
Eugene A Scallengo 32


eugene is listed as lodger

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
City: San Francisco
County: San Francisco
State: California
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1872
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1544261
DraftBoard: 12
Age:
45
Occupation:painter

Nearest Relative:wife laura

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: Vi

address 591 tusk st


California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Laura J Shelley
Name: Laura J Shelley
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1882
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 2 Aug 1961
Death Place: Glenn
Mother's Maiden Name: Lohse

still looking for other re immigration will post as soon as i find anything else

Thanks so much Lorraine, thats a great fast forward for my research.

I was sure one or two stayed but couldnt find out. In with all the family documents i also had an address in california but couldnt find a link so this fits it all together.

Will look forward to hearing anymore, if you can find it.

Caroline

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childrens births in canada



Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Victor Shelley
Name: Victor Shelley
Date of Birth: 24 Jul 1887
Gender: Female
Birth County: Oxford
Father's Name: Joseph Shelley
Mother's Name: Ruth Muston
Roll Number: MS929_83

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about John Robson Shelley
Name: John Robson Shelley
Date of Birth: 19 Feb 1885
Gender: Male
Birth County: Oxford
Father's Name: Joseph Shelley
Mother's Name: Ruth Murton
Roll Number: MS929_72

pretty sure this is the family going to canada

it gives wifes name as sarah rather than ruth but all the children fit apart from an extra alice

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Date of Arrival: 7 Sep 1884
Vessel: Sarmatian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sarmatian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4534

travelling with
wife sarah aged 34
children
rowland aged 11
sarah 9
amelia 5
george 7
alice 3
emily an infant

josephs occupation is labourer

final destination is quebec

looks like alice died in ontario

Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
about Alice Shelley
Name: Alice Shelley
Death Date: 24 Jan 1890
Death Location: Brant
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Location: England

cause of death pnemonia

Thanks again Lorraine for the quick updates. I found a birth yesterday for an Alice Shelley that seems to match up will go check the details.

Looks like Emma is listed as Emily and is the right age so is them. This detailed research is great. Been stuck for a while as to what they did in Canada and when they went this is great new information for me.

Caroline