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I think this has got a bit 'bent out of shape'

Patrick/Fred/Rosemary, if you are new to this dont worry we all make mistakes and please dont take offence to our comments..they are not sent with venom or malice

None of us are related to your family, but we are offering you help in trying to find the info you want.

I searched for 2 hours yesterday for another poster in order to help her find a relative and after all that time I finally got a lead when she told me all the birth dates of ancesters...which she had not told me before. Guess what...ta daaaaaa when she gave me these I found her people for her!

So please keep asking for help, but any info you already have 'post it' no matter how small you think it might be because we dont have anything at all

good luck Patrick

Ginny x

No I'm done for! Am I right in thinking Rosemary that you think or thought that we were related to the Rowan family you are searching for info?

The nearest I can get to being a relative is that my dads side were all Irish but I dont think that will lead to much as they were all Flanagans.

Rosmary did you write that you are Patrick Fred Rowan?

Is is it me, have I gone nuts or got the wrong end of the stick? Please put me out of my misery!

ginny x

"Patrick snr's father was a John Rowan married to Catherine both born in Ireland, this information came from Patrick snr's death certificate, obtained from scotlands people."

So ... unfortunately, whoever registered his death didn't know his mother's birth surname. That was what I'd been asking about. You knew the answer, we didn't.


I don't have any active credits at SP or I'd look.

A search for Rowan marriages in Troqueer turned up one before 1855, which by process of elimination I narrowed down to 1785. I'd be curious who that was.

... And again, by process of guesswork, I get: it was a John Rowan.

There are two matches for Roan marriages 1780-1854. I'd be curious about them too.

I'm still wondering whether it's possible that people in Troqueer with the same/similar surname might be related, and investigating them could lead to finding a record of someone else with parents John and Catherine ...

Uh ... did someone suggest s/he was related to the Rowan family??

You probably need to read your way around these boards a little.

If you see, at the top of your Trying to Find board screen,

"Welcome to the Rowan trying to find board!
To list the entire trying to find board again click here"

do click it.

You'll see the big wide world of Trying to Find, where your post (and dozens of others a day) appear to the general readership of GR members.

Dozens of people a day come and request help finding info about their ancestors.

A couple of dozen or more regulars, other paying GR members, spend time putting our skills and resources to work to try to find that info.

If you don't want that kind of help, all you hafta do is say!

If you do read some of the many, many posts on the TTF board, and decide you'd like help offered out of the kindness of strangers, you can often pick up tips that will help. One is that it's wise to proofread one's posts:

"My great grandfather was Patrick Rowan snr. b.1821 in Ireland,d.1892 in Troqueer"

-- your earlier post said *1872*.

Another is that it's reallly a very good idea to offer all the info one has, identify the sources it came from, and answer questions that people willing to help ask that they think could help them find info for you.

Of course, in some cases, the ultimate fact is that there isn't such information. Happens to all of us at some point.

I cant help wondering if any of you are actually related to the rowan family.
I am Patrick Fred. Rowan b.1931 in Berkshire.
My father was Patrick Rowan b.1892 in Troqueer Scotland.died in 1952 in Carlisle Cumbria.he married Mary Ann McKeen my mother b1895 in belfast. died 1972 in Ebley Glos.
My grandfather was Patrick Rowan b1856 in Troqueer scotland,unable to find a date of death,he married Alice Heron b.1869 in maxwelltown Kircudbrightshire Scotland,unable to find date of death.Her parents were Henry Heronb.b.abt1843 d.- and Mary Simpson b.abt.1844.
My great grandfather was Patrick Rowan snr. b.1821 in Ireland,d.1892 in Troqueer, he was married to Bridget Mcnulty b.abt1825 in Ireland. Their
eldest daughter Bridget b.abt1845 in Mayo according to the1901 Scotland census. she married David Nicholson in1865.
Patrick snr's father was a John Rowan married to Catherine both born in Ireland,this information came from Patrick snr's death certificate, obtained from scotlands people. good night .rosemary rowan.

One more reason I keep asking for the *sources* of these bits of information! -- because some of them just might not be quite accurate, and knowing the source can help determine that.

It sure would be nice if you would offer the info to start with, instead of in dribs and drabs after people have spent time looking for it / figuring it out.

I mean, not that I don't like being proved right ... ;)

Nobody here ever *knows* the answers to questions like these, but lots of times people can think of ways to find info to help answer them. Without the facts to go on - and that includes knowing the sources of the facts that are asserted - it's kinda hard.

So I wonder whether any of the other Roans in Troqueer and environs were related, and whether looking into them might lead to info about John's parents ...

I thought Janey had sussed this one re the name pronuncations?

Ginny x

Hi
I got the infomation from the 1901 Scottish census saying that Bridget b. abt 1845 who was the daughter of Patrick and Bridget was born in mayo. We must assume from that the family came from there. The spelling of the name in the early days in Troqueer Scotland was Roanie,it shortened to Roan and finally ended up as Rowan.
Pat.

Janey

Nice one 'clever dick', I think I'll just pm you when I need something!

Our new mystic meg.

Gin x

The Mormon record I referred to:


Patrick Sr. Rowan
Birth: About 1829 , , Ireland
Spouse: Bridget McInulty
Marriage: About 1844 , , Ireland
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


is obviously the right people, btw, it's just that some moron Mormon has invented a birth date (maybe that's how it looked in some later census?) that is obviously unreasonable, given the marraige date.

Just an assumption of an error in the census / unsettled spelling. ;)

I searched for Bridget in Troqueer, born 1845 in Ireland, parents Bridget and Patrick. That household matches the other info (there's a Patrick born c1856 in Troqueer, too - mentioned in Pat's post).

Roan and Rowan look like they could be pronounced the same, so I wondered about those households too. Patrick could have been preceded there by other family members?

There's always the possibility of establishing a connection and finding some info about other relations that would lead to info about Patrick's parents ...

No luck finding Patrick's death at ScotlandsPeople? Ordinarily the record would show his mother's name - but that would depend on whether it was known when he died, I guess.

There are several Roan households in Troqueer in the early censuses. Might there be a connection?

I'm lost (maybe a good thing) Janey where does the name Roanie come from...have you been doing sneaky pm's or do you have a gift!

Gin x

So, finally some data! You didn't mention Scotland at all before, Pat.


1861 census:


Name: Patrick Roanie
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 882
Registration district: Troqueer
Civil parish: Troqueer
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: 4 Broatches Close
Occupation: Labourer

Patrick Roanie 40
Bridget Roanie 34
Bridget Roanie 16
Mary Roanie 12
John Roanie 10
Patrick Roanie 5
Catherine Roanie 2


Unfortunately, for the three born in Ireland, it does just say "Ireland", although you do know it was Mayo presumably. You still haven't indicated how you know Patrick's date and place of birth, and parents' names.


Anyone trying to help really does just want to have a handle on who the known people were, i.e. have the same info you have.

Hi Ginny,
The Rowan family that you have listed for Yorkshire are definately not my family. The Patrick who was my great grandfather was born in Ireland in 1821. He married Bridget McNulty b. abt 1825 in 1844 in ireland. They came over from ireland with one daughter Bridget b.1845.The only other Patrick Rowan's born in troqueer into my family were my grandfather b.1856 and my father b. 1892.
My search request was for my great, great, grand parents John and Catherine Rowan in Ireland.
Thanks for your imput .
Pat Rowan.

Well it keeps you guessing Janey!

x

Heh! I did wonder what that "this" was. ;)

n..forgot to paste!!

Rosemary PMed me some info that I explained how to put here; I'll add it for now since I see she hasn't read my PM:


Hello Janey,
Have seen the IGS record, it is either incorrect or a different line. G. Gfthr was defineitely born 1821, died in 1872 (a blind Lodging house Keeper)He and Bridget married in 1844 and eldest daughter Bridget was born in Ireland (possibly Mayo) in 1844. Just cannot get a handle on g.g.gf at all. Thanks a lot.


I suggested that she be sure to provide the sources for the various dates and places and so on, as that can suggest directions to look for more info.


Oh, btw, with my usual bad habit of ignoring the subject line after I click on the thread -- it does refer to "Mayo", so Ireland, heh. I think when I first read it I thought it was a thread about Mr. Mayo Rowans ...