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Have been searching for my G.G.Gfthr John Rowan who married a Catherine ??? and had at least one son Patrick born in 1821. He married a Bridget McNulty in abt 1844. OK from here except some refuse to die but help desperately need to find surname of G.G. Gmthr and where they came from. Pat. Rowan.

For info and clarification, the c1844 marriage, Patrick Rowan and Bridget McNulty, is in a submitted record in the IGI that indicates it was in Ireland.

There is an "Ancestral File" submission showing Patrick as born c1829 in Troqueer Parish, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. That would have made him quite young when he married, and it might seem odd that he married in Ireland.

You might want to do a search at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to see whether there is anything to confirm that birth.

Rosemary

where was John Rowan born? I have several whom it could be but need this info

Cheers

x

this kinda ties in with Janeys research and suggests that Patrick was born in Ireland..of course at this point it's a guess

1871 England Census
about Patrick Rowan
Name: Patrick Rowan
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Minster Yard With Beddern
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Rowan 48
Bridget Rowan 47
John Rowan 18
Mary Rowan 17
Bridget Rowan 12
Michael Rowan 11
Patrick Rowan 9
Margaret Rowan 4
Ann O Boyle 16




can you help Rosemary?

Ginny x

Rosemary PMed me some info that I explained how to put here; I'll add it for now since I see she hasn't read my PM:


Hello Janey,
Have seen the IGS record, it is either incorrect or a different line. G. Gfthr was defineitely born 1821, died in 1872 (a blind Lodging house Keeper)He and Bridget married in 1844 and eldest daughter Bridget was born in Ireland (possibly Mayo) in 1844. Just cannot get a handle on g.g.gf at all. Thanks a lot.


I suggested that she be sure to provide the sources for the various dates and places and so on, as that can suggest directions to look for more info.


Oh, btw, with my usual bad habit of ignoring the subject line after I click on the thread -- it does refer to "Mayo", so Ireland, heh. I think when I first read it I thought it was a thread about Mr. Mayo Rowans ...

n..forgot to paste!!

Heh! I did wonder what that "this" was. ;)

Well it keeps you guessing Janey!

x

Hi Ginny,
The Rowan family that you have listed for Yorkshire are definately not my family. The Patrick who was my great grandfather was born in Ireland in 1821. He married Bridget McNulty b. abt 1825 in 1844 in ireland. They came over from ireland with one daughter Bridget b.1845.The only other Patrick Rowan's born in troqueer into my family were my grandfather b.1856 and my father b. 1892.
My search request was for my great, great, grand parents John and Catherine Rowan in Ireland.
Thanks for your imput .
Pat Rowan.

So, finally some data! You didn't mention Scotland at all before, Pat.


1861 census:


Name: Patrick Roanie
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 882
Registration district: Troqueer
Civil parish: Troqueer
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: 4 Broatches Close
Occupation: Labourer

Patrick Roanie 40
Bridget Roanie 34
Bridget Roanie 16
Mary Roanie 12
John Roanie 10
Patrick Roanie 5
Catherine Roanie 2


Unfortunately, for the three born in Ireland, it does just say "Ireland", although you do know it was Mayo presumably. You still haven't indicated how you know Patrick's date and place of birth, and parents' names.


Anyone trying to help really does just want to have a handle on who the known people were, i.e. have the same info you have.

I'm lost (maybe a good thing) Janey where does the name Roanie come from...have you been doing sneaky pm's or do you have a gift!

Gin x

No luck finding Patrick's death at ScotlandsPeople? Ordinarily the record would show his mother's name - but that would depend on whether it was known when he died, I guess.

There are several Roan households in Troqueer in the early censuses. Might there be a connection?

Just an assumption of an error in the census / unsettled spelling. ;)

I searched for Bridget in Troqueer, born 1845 in Ireland, parents Bridget and Patrick. That household matches the other info (there's a Patrick born c1856 in Troqueer, too - mentioned in Pat's post).

Roan and Rowan look like they could be pronounced the same, so I wondered about those households too. Patrick could have been preceded there by other family members?

There's always the possibility of establishing a connection and finding some info about other relations that would lead to info about Patrick's parents ...

The Mormon record I referred to:


Patrick Sr. Rowan
Birth: About 1829 , , Ireland
Spouse: Bridget McInulty
Marriage: About 1844 , , Ireland
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


is obviously the right people, btw, it's just that some moron Mormon has invented a birth date (maybe that's how it looked in some later census?) that is obviously unreasonable, given the marraige date.

Janey

Nice one 'clever dick', I think I'll just pm you when I need something!

Our new mystic meg.

Gin x

Hi
I got the infomation from the 1901 Scottish census saying that Bridget b. abt 1845 who was the daughter of Patrick and Bridget was born in mayo. We must assume from that the family came from there. The spelling of the name in the early days in Troqueer Scotland was Roanie,it shortened to Roan and finally ended up as Rowan.
Pat.

I thought Janey had sussed this one re the name pronuncations?

Ginny x

It sure would be nice if you would offer the info to start with, instead of in dribs and drabs after people have spent time looking for it / figuring it out.

I mean, not that I don't like being proved right ... ;)

Nobody here ever *knows* the answers to questions like these, but lots of times people can think of ways to find info to help answer them. Without the facts to go on - and that includes knowing the sources of the facts that are asserted - it's kinda hard.

So I wonder whether any of the other Roans in Troqueer and environs were related, and whether looking into them might lead to info about John's parents ...

One more reason I keep asking for the *sources* of these bits of information! -- because some of them just might not be quite accurate, and knowing the source can help determine that.

I cant help wondering if any of you are actually related to the rowan family.
I am Patrick Fred. Rowan b.1931 in Berkshire.
My father was Patrick Rowan b.1892 in Troqueer Scotland.died in 1952 in Carlisle Cumbria.he married Mary Ann McKeen my mother b1895 in belfast. died 1972 in Ebley Glos.
My grandfather was Patrick Rowan b1856 in Troqueer scotland,unable to find a date of death,he married Alice Heron b.1869 in maxwelltown Kircudbrightshire Scotland,unable to find date of death.Her parents were Henry Heronb.b.abt1843 d.- and Mary Simpson b.abt.1844.
My great grandfather was Patrick Rowan snr. b.1821 in Ireland,d.1892 in Troqueer, he was married to Bridget Mcnulty b.abt1825 in Ireland. Their
eldest daughter Bridget b.abt1845 in Mayo according to the1901 Scotland census. she married David Nicholson in1865.
Patrick snr's father was a John Rowan married to Catherine both born in Ireland,this information came from Patrick snr's death certificate, obtained from scotlands people. good night .rosemary rowan.