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Can anybody advise me on what to do next, i have the marriage cert for Jean Matthams and George Bagge, know it is the right people, only trouble is i cant read the name of Jean Matthams father, does anybody know what i can do?

what year did they marry or what year was jean born

If you can scan it and email it, sometimes a combined effort can figure out what an old handwritten document says. People will often volunteer to receive a copy by email and have a look, if you can do that.

sorry, they married 2nd November 1914 in Greenwich, Jean was born 1871, dont know where as she was married before, thats why i wanted the name from the marr cert

She married George Bagge in 1914, it states on cert she was a widow, think she had 3 sons Walter, James, Charles. Her father was Samuel John???, he was in the 42nd Highlanders

This her???

1901 England Census
about Jean Matthams
Name: Jean Matthams
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Bombay, Dwn Dwn INDIA!!!

Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Tooting Graveney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 266
Household Members: Name Age
James Collins 59
Jean Matthams 34
Walter Matthams 7
Charles Matthams 5
James E Matthams 2


Dee x

other info on this thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1144979

Hi Jane,

If the census details are correct...... you may have to order a birth cert to find out her maiden name???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Matthams Walter Chelmsford 4a 478



Dee xx

thanks for everybodys help

Jane, have you considered the suggestion that you ask others to look at the Matthams-Bagge marriage certificate and see whether they can decipher her father's surname?

If you can scan it, then anyone who wanted to could PM you their email address (of course I always recommend an anonymous one like at gmail!) and you could send the image.

It seems to me that the surname is a pretty valuable bit of missing info, and if it could be determined, that could help you a lot.

Hi Janey,

I have sent her a message offering to have a look but no reply as yet.

Dea x

Can anybody check Ancestry's incoming passenger database? I don't pay the premium for access.

An Agnes Matthams is shown as arriving at some point, but I can't tell when she was born or when she arrived.

The fact that Jean used her middle initial in some records suggests that she might have gone by her middle name. (Possibly because her mother was Jean.)

Hi Dea - I saw the offer was made earlier in the thread but no response to that either! That surname really is crucial info, and I'm quite happy to put my reading glasses and thinking cap on!

But then - as was also already suggested - ordering a child's birth certificate would give her birth surname, too.

: Agnes Matthams
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 38
Port of Departure: Portland, Oregon, United States
Arrival Date: 15 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Zeeland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Zeeland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 113460

Travelling with her:

Kenneth aged 7
Winifred aged 5
Birdie aged 2??

Does this help?

Dea x

thanks for all the offfers of help, but i dont have a scanner so iam not able to sent it to anyone.

thanks for help, but she wasnt born a Matthams, Matthams is her first husband name, then she married a Bagge. I am trying to find her Maiden name.
We think it might be Newton.On her marriage cert to Bagge, her father is Samuel John!!! he was an Adjuntant in the 42nd Highlanders and he was dead before she married in 1914.

Jane, I don't see anyone saying that Matthams was her birth surname.

She appears to have married Matthams overseas, likely in India.

That is why I was looking for incoming passengers to the UK named Matthams.

You don't seem to want to respond to suggestions made!

If you want her birth surname and you can't find some way of deciphering her husband's name on the marriage certificate, you are going to have to order one of the children's birth certificates. The birth of Walter seems to have been identified, so that would be the one to order.

Nobody's going to be able to wave a magic wand to find the info you need, and you're the one who can find it by doing that!

I was just over the details i have for Jean Matthams, i am very gratful for all the help and iam checking the information people have supplied

Urgh, that 1911 census -- if you don't ask, it doesn't tell!

Well done, rootgatherer.

I have traced the Bagge family along way back, it is them that iam related to through a marriage of Priscilla Bagge to Hughes . I cannot find any record of any Collins anywhere on the tree.