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Hi all, about a month ago I received some help re one member of this family and I am now trying to sort out the siblings and am looking for their births all in the Liverpool area. I went to the library this morning to print out the census as below.


On the 1881 Census RG11;Piece;3643; Folio; 60; Page; 2
I have John Gervis 32 and his family:

(Mrs Gervis) 32
Ellen Gervis 8
Annie Gerris (?) 5
Betsy Gerris 4


On the 1891 census RG12; Piece; 2930; Folio 115; Page 5

John (JERVIS) 42 is there with his wife

Annie 40 (lost a couple of years?)
Annie 16
Julia 9
Elizabeth 8



I have tried freebmd and lancashirebmd and have found the following:


2 possible Ellens - 1872 & 1874

1 possible Annie Elizabeth 1875


No Betsy


and 1 Julia JARVIS !!


Elizabeth is the one I had help on but she is a pain because on her wedding certificate (JERVIS) dated 1901 she has her age as 21 indicating that she was born in 1880 but I can't find her and have come to the conclusion that she lied about her age.

However, I can find an Elizabeth JARVIS in 1883.


I am going dizzy with the derivisions of this name so could some kind person please see if they can find any of the above births under the name of JERVIS please.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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JARVIS Julia Toxteth Park 8b 242

Thanks Barbara - I just don't know if this is the one I am looking for or if she has been mistranscribed from Jervis!!

Births Sep 1877
JARVIS Betsey W. Derby 8b 286


Rose

Thanks Rose. I honestly don't know what to think about this Jervis/Jarvis business.....grrrrr..

Marriages Sep 1871
Billington Adam W. Derby 8b 666
Hughes Ann W Derby 8b 666
Jervis John W. Derby 8b 666
Thomason Elizabeth Ann W. Derby 8b 666

Hi Ozibird, are you well?? Yes, thanks, this is the parents marriage I think. He's definitely Jervis there!! I would prefer to send for his daughter Elizabeth's birth first before sending for John's marriage - if only I could fid it!!!

What are the details from Elizabeth's marriage cert? Father's occupation, witnesses, etc.

Rose

1901 England Census
about Annie Jervis
Name: Annie Jervis
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 125
Household Members: Name Age
John Jervis 54
Annie Jervis 53
Betsy Jervis 23
Elizabeth Jervis 17

Rose

This is the one I would go for . They were living in Toxteth Park

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
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JARVIS Elizabeth Toxteth Park 8b 180

Good morning Rose, back for a very short while till later.

Her father is down as John James Jervis - a labourer. The witnesses were Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Deakin.

As Barbara so kindly suggests, I think I will have to send for the Elizabeth Jarvis birth certificate as a process of elimination.

Many thanks for your time everyone.

Hi Cynthia,

Is there an address listed for Elizabeth? 1901 looks to be 201 Mann St.

Just want to be sure we have the correct Elizabeth. I was hoping a sister would be a witness.

Rose

Hi Rose, back from church and Sunday lunch etc.

It would have been helpful to have had a sister as witness wouldn't it?

No, they have to go and have a friend!!!

Mind you, they named their last child after their witness Thomas Lewis which completely threw me as the child was apparently known as Ben in the family!!!

That took some sorting out I can tell you. I was everywhere looking for Benjamin Taylor! It was good fun though.

The address on the marriage cert looks like Bughton Terrace but is more likely to be Broughton I would have thought???

Elizabeth Deakin is at Brighton Terrace in 1901.

Rose

Do you have her in 1911? Is she listed as being born 1883 there?

It looks like she got married without her family knowing, said she was 21 so she didn't need permission and gave Elizabeth Deakin's address.

Rose

Oooha! The plot thickens. Both she and her bridegroom give the same address! Something was obviously going on here!



I have now sent for the birth certificate for Elizabeth Jarvis 1883 so will wait and see what happens.



I haven't looked at the 1911 yet. I've heard it's a bit expensive so thought I would build up a list of people to check on so that I didn't waste time (or money!)

Very grateful for your support on this. Whilst waiting for that certificate, I am going to see what I can find out about her mother (or who I hope is her mother), Elizabeth (nee Thomason)

Thank you again.

I have now received the birth certificate but it is the wrong one!!

The father of this Elizabeth is Charles Jarvis and the mother is Elizabeth (formerly Jones).

The hunt for my Elizabeth continues. Any other ideas are most welcome!


I will offer this cert on BMD share.

Cynthia,

I think you need to look at the 1911 census. Check her age and where she said she was born.

Rose

Many thanks Rose. Every family has one don't they? Unfortunately I have two like this - at different ends of the country! Regards.

Checked the 1911 - born in Liverpool! So will have to send for the other birth cert I think.