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can anyone help please. I'm looking for a marriage between Walter Stock and Rosina Morton. They are together on the 1901 (n West Ham) census as husband and wife, with 4 children, but separate and single in 1891.

There is no marriage between them shown on Free BMD or FamilySearch or Find my past Parish Records. Can anyone think of anywhere else to look online please?!


Thank you.
Maz. XX

Maz

We need more details before we can help you. How are are the couple? The names of the children?

Can you please post the census details you have and then we might be able to help further.

Regards

Tracey x

Ahhh Somerset girl, don't be fooled by the marriage column in the 1911.... i have 3 relatives who stated they were married and for how long, when none of them where.... the length of time for one clashed with the fact he was still married to wife No1 !!!

It's just another column people could lie on.... and quite often they did!!


Tracey x

Thanks for taking an interest ...

Ref for 1901 census is RG13; Piece: 1567; Folio: 143; Page: 54. Rosina is born about 1863 in Great Canfield, Essex
Walter is born about 1860 in (Great) Dunmow, Essex
children are Bertie 9, Mary 7, Reginald 5 and Ernest 2, all born West Ham.

I have them thru on the previous censuses, it's just the marriage that I can't find.

Am helping a friend, won't be getting the 1911 I'm afraid! can't afford the 30 credits.

Maz. XX

Ok, this is the 1901.

Name: Walter Stock
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosina
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunmow, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Stratford

Walter Stock 41
Rosina Stock 38
Bertie Stock 9
Mary Stock 7
Reginald Stock 5
Ernest Stock 2

All children born West Ham.

1911 census

STOCK, WALTER HEAD MARRIED M 51 LABOURER DUNMOUR ESEX
STOCK, ROSINA WIFE MARRIED 23 F 47 LITTLE CANFIELD EX
STOCK, BERTIE SON SINGLE M 19 CLERK WEST HAM EX
STOCK, MAY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 MACHINIST WEST HAM EX
STOCK, REGINALD SON SINGLE M 15 CLERK WEST HAM EX
STOCK, ERNEST SON SINGLE M 12 SCHOOL BOY WEST HAM EX
STOCK, DAISY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 5 SCHOOL GIRL WEST HAM EX
STOCK WALTER (RG14PN9421 RG78PN507A RD188 SD3 ED11 SN318)
Address 32 PORTWAY WEST HAM E County Essex
District West Ham Subdistrict Plaistow
Enumeration District 11 Parish West Ham

Thats Funny,

Both names appear to have got Married in 1898 West Ham..

but not to each other....!!

1911 census states 23 years married.

That makes 1888 in my book?

Could Rosina have been married previously?


Tracey x

Marilyn

Where did you find that marriage?

Tracey x

thank you Tracey, I didn't expect anyone to spend credits on this though! they are both shown as single in 1891 so I don't think a marriage in 1888 is feasible. think they were telling porkie pies.

Marilyn that is so weird - I've found it myself now too!

I am coming more and more to the conclusion that they never married.

Maz. XX

am off for my dins and to deal with the kids now so please excuse me if I don't reply for a while ...

Interestingly, the original image on the 1911 has his name overwritten from William to Walter...

Also states 6 children born 5 live, 1 death.


Tracey x

I have found a Walter Stock married in 1891 to an Elizabeth! lol


T x

Tracey,


On Family Relatives.com.



Marilyn

Ahhh, well FreeBMD are missing some pairings, i'm going to take a look at the full pages and see what comes up!


T x

Walter Stock. either married Elizabeth Rayment or Ethel Mirriam 1898 West Ham.

Rosina Morton. either married Henry Harry Bishop or John Henry Morley 1898 West Ham


Marilyn

GOT THEM !!!!

Marriages Mar 1888
MORETON Rosina Dunmow 4a 583

Walter is missing, but he's on the full BMD...!!!

Get in.... !!!



Tracey xx

PS. i've added a postem to her marriage on FreeBMD!

Here's Rosina in 1891.... She's married and living with her parents?? Possibly visiting them? Maybe this is when her first child has died and they are helping her through the turmoil?

MORTON, Thomas Head Married M 73 1818 Agricultural Labourer Retired Little Canfield Essex
MORTON, Charlotte Wife Married F 69 1822 Great Dunmow Essex
STOCK, Rosina Daughter Married F 28 1863 Little Canfield Essex

RG number: RG12 Piece: 1428 Folio: 95 Page: 4

Registration District: Dunmow Sub District: Dunmow Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish: Little Canfield

Civil Parish: Little Canfield Address: Stortford Road, Little Canfield County: Essex

Well done Tracey......

It did not show a partner on Family Relatives either ..!!



Marilyn

OK Maz, this is a classic error... Ancestry have mistranscribed Rosina, on the image she is very very clearly a Stock and listed as married. It's a very basic error, always check the image to make sure it matches the transcription. Ancestry is very very good at these!!

I will add an amendment now so others behind us do not make the same mistake!


Tracey x