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Only glad to help.

I suppose a few small lessons have been learnt!

Never take for granted what a transcription tells you.... always check it for yourself!! Another has been found minutes ago whereby the childs age is listed as 19 instead of 9!!

Also, when trying to find a marriage alwayd try with both parties seperately if you cannot find a joint match! If you find a sole person use the vol page details for another search or go looking on the full BMD!!

Tracey xx

Hi girls and thank you sooo much for finding that marriage - my friend is over the moon!

I had given her the print-outs to take home with her earlier, so didn't have everything to hand straight away. Somehow though we both completely missed the fact that Rosina and Walter were shown as married in 1891 - mind you, we weren't looking for a marriage under the name of MorEton though! I think we just saw that she was with her parents and he was on his own and didn't look any further.

Walter in 1891 is on RG12; Piece: 1330; Folio 9; Page 12 transcribed as Waller! The child who died wasn't born until after 1901 - also Rosina, she died at a year old. First child was Bertie, registered soon after the 1891 census. So we can probably assume that Rosina went 'home' to mum to have her first baby while Walter was up in the big city trying to earn a living.

Anyway, thank you both again for all your help, it's very much appreciated.

Going for a lie down now, it's bad enough trying to get yer head round your own family, let alone someone else's, especially when they are just starting out and get VERY excited !!

Maz. XX

They didn't start having children until after 1891, this makes me think as they married in 1888 that her first child was born/lost around this time and she's recovering with her parents....?

Makes me wonder who Maz had found on the 1891 now, unless she made the same error with this one as she did with the first?

I think tho she has found a different Walter?


Tracey x

Tracey

Yes that's him in 1891 maybe he was visiting his parents for the night.

The whole family could have also been living with her parents anyway.

Sorry I've been away....


Other Maz will be pleased when she returns..

Marilyn

Marilyn

Can you take a look at this one on the 1891.... This is a William Stock, married(?) living with parents??

Now the 1911 def says William overwritten with Walter.... Walter and William are interchangeable.

Is this our man you think?

Name: William Stock
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Canfield, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Canfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Canfield
Town: Great Canfield
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub registration district: Dunmow

William Stock 75
Mary Ann Stock 71
William Stock 29

Class: RG12; Piece: 1428; Folio 124; Page 2; GSU roll: 6096538.

Check out his living location, same area as where his wife is living !!


Tracey x

Tracey,

Yep I'll put in an amendment as well to Family Relatives..

OK Maz, this is a classic error... Ancestry have mistranscribed Rosina, on the image she is very very clearly a Stock and listed as married. It's a very basic error, always check the image to make sure it matches the transcription. Ancestry is very very good at these!!

I will add an amendment now so others behind us do not make the same mistake!


Tracey x

Well done Tracey......

It did not show a partner on Family Relatives either ..!!



Marilyn

Here's Rosina in 1891.... She's married and living with her parents?? Possibly visiting them? Maybe this is when her first child has died and they are helping her through the turmoil?

MORTON, Thomas Head Married M 73 1818 Agricultural Labourer Retired Little Canfield Essex
MORTON, Charlotte Wife Married F 69 1822 Great Dunmow Essex
STOCK, Rosina Daughter Married F 28 1863 Little Canfield Essex

RG number: RG12 Piece: 1428 Folio: 95 Page: 4

Registration District: Dunmow Sub District: Dunmow Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish: Little Canfield

Civil Parish: Little Canfield Address: Stortford Road, Little Canfield County: Essex

GOT THEM !!!!

Marriages Mar 1888
MORETON Rosina Dunmow 4a 583

Walter is missing, but he's on the full BMD...!!!

Get in.... !!!



Tracey xx

PS. i've added a postem to her marriage on FreeBMD!

Walter Stock. either married Elizabeth Rayment or Ethel Mirriam 1898 West Ham.

Rosina Morton. either married Henry Harry Bishop or John Henry Morley 1898 West Ham


Marilyn

Ahhh, well FreeBMD are missing some pairings, i'm going to take a look at the full pages and see what comes up!


T x

Tracey,


On Family Relatives.com.



Marilyn

I have found a Walter Stock married in 1891 to an Elizabeth! lol


T x

Interestingly, the original image on the 1911 has his name overwritten from William to Walter...

Also states 6 children born 5 live, 1 death.


Tracey x

am off for my dins and to deal with the kids now so please excuse me if I don't reply for a while ...

thank you Tracey, I didn't expect anyone to spend credits on this though! they are both shown as single in 1891 so I don't think a marriage in 1888 is feasible. think they were telling porkie pies.

Marilyn that is so weird - I've found it myself now too!

I am coming more and more to the conclusion that they never married.

Maz. XX

Marilyn

Where did you find that marriage?

Tracey x

1911 census states 23 years married.

That makes 1888 in my book?

Could Rosina have been married previously?


Tracey x

Thats Funny,

Both names appear to have got Married in 1898 West Ham..

but not to each other....!!