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Think i have found a connection Staniforth/C arnall in 1881 i don't know but this links with the surname you gave for Martha on the message.

Name: Stephen Staniforth
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackenthorpe, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Beighton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Hackenthorpe
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Name: Charles Staniforth
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Father's Name: Stephen
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackenthorpe, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Beighton
County/Island: Derbyshire


Name: Ann Staniforth
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Anston, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Beighton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Hackenthorpe


Name: William Carnall
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ratcliffe, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Beighton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Household Members: Name Age
William Carnall 29
Ann Staniforth 27
Charles Staniforth 29
Edith Staniforth 8
Edwin Staniforth 1
Eliza Staniforth 4
Norah Staniforth 6
Samuel Staniforth 3
Stephen Staniforth 66
wonder if the connection goes back to this marriage
Marriages Dec 1851 if John and Mary married

Bartholomew Martha Sheffield 22 705
Carnall John Sheffield 22 705
Hobson Mary Ann Sheffield 22 705
Otley Henry Sheffield 22 705
Staniforth Mary Sheffield 22 705
Wilman James Sheffield 22 705

Hi Janice
I am still trying to work out if Amos / James could have died in 1883 there was certainly a Staniforth child born out of wedlock so Martha wasn't exactly upstanding as they say.

The Carnall and Staniforths are intermingled all the way thro and Leonard was adopted by the a cousin of his sisters husband.
I think there is a good need to get the twins birth cert. and hope that she didn't lie
Thankyou for your help

But if she died and the info is not given by Amos/James is it then likely he has died.
I would be interested to know the outcome.
Has the rel of Leonards not got that one

I am going to ask her on Wednesday if she has Martha death cert or the twins birth cert. I believe Hugh was registered by the Mills family not sure about Leonard.

I also have thought that if James/ Amos didn't register her death the chances are he was either dead or long gone.

I will let you know after we have met up as to what she thinks. I'm in favour of he died in 1883 and Martha was a little loose with her favours lol.

The other interesting bit about the Amos death is that there was no other Amos Armstrong ( that I can see )born in 1850. or in 1849/1851 he is the only one anywhere in the country.

Will they ever know who the father of the twins was ??? I am glad my gtgran came from the Staniforth marriage lol