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hi, I have these people in 1861 census, can anyone find them in 51/41. They came from little ouston in yorkshire to durham, not sure when.
1861
TOPHAM, Edward Head Married M 68 Lab In Factory Little... Yorkshire
TOPHAM, Ann Wife Married F 65 City Of York
FORSTER, Sarah Daughter Married F 40 Daughter Gateshead Durham
FORSTER, John Grandson M 2 Gateshead Durham
FORSTER, Robert Grandson M 0 (2M) Gateshead Durham
TOPHAM, Thomas Grandson M 14 Scholar Gateshead Durham
TOPHAM, Thomas Grandson M 6 Scholar Gateshead Durham

They have 4 grandchildren living with them, 2 Forster, I have just posted a request on that line. Also 2 Topham grandchildren, but no Topham parents on census. Maybe an earlier census might clear it up.
Thanks
Kathy

1851 Census

Name: Edward Topham
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Litton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Topham 55 b.ca 1796, York
Edward Topham 58 Cart Man
George Thos Topham 3 b.ca 1848, Shot by Low Quarter, Durham

Address:- ???? King William St (hard to read!0


sylvia

1851 census
King William Yard, Gateshead, Durham
Edward Topham, head, 58, cartman, born Yorks, Little Over
Ann, wife, 55, born Yorks., York
George Thos., grandson, 3, born Durham, Shotley (something?)

1841 Census


Name: Edward Topham
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Topham 45 b.ca 1796
Ann Topham 12 b.ca 1829
Edward Topham 45 Labourer
Edward Topham 15 b.ca 1826, Cabinet Maker App
Sarah Topham 20 b.ca 1821

Address:- High Streert, Gateshead.


None were born in Durham

Hi Sylvia, thats in in 51, any luck with 1841, he may still have been in yorkshire.
Thanks
Kathy

1841 ???

Name: Edward Topham
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Topham 45
Ann Topham 12
Edward Topham 45
Edward Topham 15
Sarah Topham 20

Born out of county..

Linda

hi thanks all for the info, it looks like Edward the father had only one son he was also a Edward, so the 2 grangchildren he had withhim in 1861 must be his son's son's. I wonder where their father and mother were, I dont have ancestry so its a bit hard to find any census, I will go now and see if I can find a marriage onthe igi ot free bmd, then get back if I find them.
Thanks a bunchj
Kathy

1841 census
High St., Gateshead, Durham
Edward Topham, 45, labourer
Edward, 15, cabinet maker
Ann, 45
Sarah, 20
Ann, 12
All NOT born in county.

from the International Genealogical Index on the Mormon site, www.familysearch.org

It is an EXTRACTED record, so as trustworthy as any other record ....... in other words, needs checking!


EDWARD TOPHAM Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN ELLISON Family
Marriage: 28 DEC 1818 Saint Savior, York, Yorkshire, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M071861 1813 - 1837 0990880 Film 6910169 Film

Kathy, not necessarily his son's sons. Could be his daughter's illegitimate sons.

from www.freebmd.org


This coould be George Thomas' birth registration

Buy this and you would get his parents, and see if it was Edward Jr who was the fatgher

Births Dec 1847 (>99%)

TOPHAM George Thomas Durham 24 75




BTW . I have tried to find Edward Jr on other censuses . nada so far



sylvia

Good point Margaret!


Makes it even more important to get that birth certificate then!


Although looking back at the 1861 census ........ Katghy has oput that there are TWO Thomas Tophams .. one aged 14 and one aged 6.


Could one be Edward's, and one Sarah's?



sylvia

Ah! well I di'nt think of that, but I have found a marriage ;

EDWARD TOPHAM Spouse: ELIZABETH FLEMMING Marriage: 02 NOV 1846 Gateshead, Durham, England

This would fit in with the ages of the other Topham grandsond births from the 1861 census.

I wonder if anyone can do a quick check in 1861 for Edward and Elizabeth. Edward's birth is

EDWARD TOPHAM Christening: 22 JAN 1824 Bossall, Yorkshire, England
Father: EDWARD TOPHAM Mother: ANN

They would be in the same area I would think.
Thanks again for all your help
Kathy

there's also a later marriage for an Edward Topham

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)

CLARK Eliza Gateshead 10a 469
EVERATT Martha Gateshead 10a 469
McCarthy Joseph Gateshead 10a 469
TOPHAM Edward Gateshead 10a 469




Could it be the same Edward?.

Could it be that Elizabeth died?


sylvia

Hi again I see what you mean, there are 2 Thomas Tophams one age 14 and one 6, now thats odd. One must be the son of Sarah. I am finding this a bit of a puzzle. Sarah Topham married my ggrandfather Robert forster, I have the parish record, she is stated as a widow, her former name was Wilson, nee Topham. They maried in 1859. I have never found the marriage of sarah to a wilson. Any ideas wellcome
Cheers
Kathy

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1861 Census

Name: Edward Topham
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Elswick St Paul
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 248
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Topham 37 Joiner
Edward Topham 1
Martha Topham 31

Address:- 16-1/2 Myrtle Terrace




sylvia

well, she could have fibbed!! Not unknown


Here's the probable birth registration of the other Thomas


Births Dec 1853 (>99%)

TOPHAM Thomas Sunderland 10a 253



You maybe shoudl try to get this certificate as well




sylvia

???? Edward Jr in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Edward Topham
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Clayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Topham 47 Joiner
Edward Topham 11
Everatt Topham 4
Henry Topham 9
Martha Topham 40


sylvia

Ah well, it dos'nt look like any of the Thomas's were his, at least they hav'nt lived with him, what a puzzle
thanks Sylvia
Best wishes
Kathy

well, if the first wife died when Thomas was a baby, maybe they just left him with his grandparents, and then he didn't move back to his father when dad remarried.



You should get those two birth certificates, that really is the only way you are going to solve this problem!



sylvia