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Can a nice person please help me find William Henry Carter born in 1895. He was born in West Ham area of London on September 17th, and according to records was a Carter. He married a Louie Tryphena Evans 1915 and his fathers name is recorded as William Henry Carter, occupation a carman. He died in 1977. The problem I am having is I am trying to trace him on the 1901 census to find out who his parents were, but have come to a stand still. My Grandfather is now telling me that William Henry Carter birth certificate went missing as it is rumoured he was illegitimate and perhaps born a Causton or Gossard (perhaps spelt differently) can some kind person please help me unravel this mystery as I am struggling to do so.

Thank you :-)

Charlotte

Charlotte,

Could this be him in 1901?

1901 England Census
about William Henry Carter
Name: William Henry Carter
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Edward
Mother's Name: Clara
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil Parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard Bromley
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Clara Carter 35
Clara Rose Carter 6 months
George Edward Carter 27
George Edward Carter 6
Harriett E Carter 2
William Henry Carter 4

For Reference, here's his marriage record.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William H Carter
Name: William H Carter
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Evans
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 566

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about William Henry Carter
Name: William Henry Carter
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 763

Joan,
Thank you for that. The only thing is his marriage certificate says his father is Willia Henry Carter also. Should I be looking for a father William? Or could that have been to cover the fact he was illegitimate?

Perhaps he may have been born in 1895 or 1896? Could have been born in 1895 but not registered until 1896.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about William Henry Carter
Name: William Henry Carter
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 11

1901;

William H Carter
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Kate C
Gender: Male
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England



Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Carter 14
William Carter 49
William Carter 20
William H Carter 5
Kate C Eyles 25
Robert C Eyles 1
Sarah Eyles 23
William Eyles 27

Possible marriage record for father and mother?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William Henry Carter
Name: William Henry Carter
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 156

Record
Eliza Elizabeth Carr 1892 Oct-Nov-Dec West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
William Henry Carter 1892 Oct-Nov-Dec West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
Sarah Annie Riding 1892 Oct-Nov-Dec West Ham Essex, Greater London

Re above 1901 census:RG13; Piece: 1580; Folio: 19; Page: 29.


if you look at the image then William H Carter is the son of William Eyles and Kate C Eyles.
William Carter age 49 is father in law so must be the father of Kate.

Jennifer

Thank you, perhaps that is him. How do I go about finding the other information like mother's and father's name? Do you know if people on here can look at the actual Birth certificate to get this information for me?

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Charlotte, the only way to see parent's names is to buy the birth certificate but if he was illegitimate the father's name probably won't be on it.

Jennifer

Thats the information I looked at yesterday and it would seem most feesible, so in that case Kate Eyles was a Carter by maiden name rather than by marriage. Could this also mean that William Carter was not William Eyles' biological son?
x

Marriages Jun 1899

>>>CARTER Kate Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 311
Eybs William W. Ham 4a 311
>>>Eyles William W. Ham 4a 311
Hill Ellen W. Ham 4a 311
Wicks Alfred W. Ham 4a 311

Charlott have you looked at the actual image? It does say that William H Carter is son in relationship to the head of the household who is William Eyles.

This happened to me with my grandmother, her name was Lawson but she is daughter to John Betts on the image, she was illegetimate but hturned out to be her father

Yes I looked yesterday. So in that case are we saying that William was born out of wedlock and then Kate and William married?

thank you for your help
xx

Charlotte, that's what it looks like but I still can't find a birth for William Henry Carter/Eyles, can you?
Did you not that Kate was born Staffordshire and William Carter senior in Lamburn, Berks.

Also I haven't worked out who Sarah Eyles born 1878, Lamburn is. It says she is 'daug' but she can't be William Eyles daug as he is too young, as she is born Lamburn she is probably William Carter's daug and the enumerator or someone else has enetred the wrong surname.

Hi, I was just looking at previous census returns and in 1881 William Carter born Lamburn is a boarder in a house in West Ham and one of the other boarders is called Charles Eyles.

I did wonder how it was possible for Sarah to be William Eyles' daughter, this was confusing me, but makes sense now.

Am looking for the birth

x

There is a William Henry Carter, registered in Jan, Feb, March quarter of 1896. Perhaps his birth wasn't registered straight away.

Vol 4a pg 113.

x

The two families must have known each other, as William Eyles was born Lamburn, Berks as was William Carter senior and Charles Eyles who was boarding with him in 1881 seems to be the father of William Eyles.

There is a Sarah Eyles with the family in 1891 age 13, she must be the sister of William Eyles, not daugh.

1891:
William Eyles
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambourn, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Lambourn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels or Lambourn Church
Town: Lambourn
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hungerford
Sub registration district: Lambourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Eyles 15
>>>Charles Eyles 48 father
Earoline Eyles 10
Frederick Eyles 9
Henry Eyles 12
Kate Eyles 5
Mary Eyles 42
Mary Eyles 2
>>>Sarah Eyles 13
>>>William Eyles 18