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i might have to find lucys marriage, to see if she put a fathers name on it.

i think it should be lowe, Louis law must be lewis lowe., evelina was married to lowe before lovett

1871 census
High St., Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Samuel Lovett, head, 52, framework knitter, born Notts, Lambley
Evilina, wife, 48, framework knitter, born Notts, Kimberley
Frances Chambers, sister-in-law, 61, seamstress, born kimberley
Emma Law, dau-in-law, single, 19, lace dresser, born Arnold
Louis Law, son-in-law, single, 13, framework knitter, born Arnold
Ellen Dawson, grandau, 5, born derby, Codnor Park
Mary A. Dawson, grandau, 2, born Notts, Basford

Son and dau-in-law here have other meaning of stepson and stepdaughter, they're both single.

I read Emma & Louis' name as Law here although they were transcribed as Lah.

1881 census

Lucy Turner
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Lewis
Gender: Female
Where born: Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Arnold
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Hardstaffs Yard

Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Arnold
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household Members: Name Age
Lewis Lowe 23
Ann Turner 2
Lucy Turner 1
Maria Turner 22

Its this that is the problem, lewis is evelines son, but hes not on lucys birth cert, it just has maria turner as mother, so how can i be sure he is the father?

Thanks Margaret, but i,m not sure if she is the grandma, because there is no father on birth cert.

This looks like Grandma Eveline in 1881 but the writing is terrible. Husband's name has been transcribed Hezekiah, I'm not sure that's what it says.
1881 census
39 High St., Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Hezekiah? Lovett, 65, frame work knitter, born Notts, Lamberley?
Eveline, wife, 55, seamstress, born Derbyshire, Kimberley
Ann E. Dawson, grandau, 15, lace dresser, born Derbyshire, Codnor Park

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I,ve received Lucy,s birth cert, says mother Maria Turner. Father is blank. So why would eveline say shes her granddaughter, would anyone have a look at all this and let me know what they think please.

Helen

confusing, thankyou for your help

This is a long shot !!!

I think...

Eveline Lovatt gave birth to Maria Lovatt..she then had 2 children (Ann and Lucy) and either WAS married and was widdowed OR used rhe name Turner, from the children's father.

The fact that she was housekeeper to a Mr Lowe is a red-herring because Eveline Lowe (aged 5 in 1891) is also Eveline Lovatt's child and it may be that
Maria was just lodging at the Lowe's.

You will need to find some birth records to confirm any of this !!

But what about the grandmother? or do you think she might not be her grandmother?

This means that her two children were almost definitely illigitimate, as they share the mothers maiden name and even "if" the chap she is housekeeper to, is the father, there is no way to confirm that !!

He could just be a single man, providing a "disgraced" woman with a home ????

Think this is the mother

1861 Census

Maria Turner
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Arnold
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Arnold
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Turner 28
John Turner 8
Maria Turner 2
Samuel Turner 30
Samuel Turner 4

Thankyou

in 1891 Lucy is shown as the grandaughter to Evelyn Lovatt

I'll carry on digging !

He had two children with the housekeeper?

Just having a look at 1891

Maria Turner was housekeeper to Lewis Lowe.

This might be a euphemism (!) as he is definitely unmarried in 1881

ok thanks

May be they weren't married - give me a minute and I'll look at the original