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thanks julie your help has been great

Sorry Christine, I don't know how to help you.
There is a lady on GR who does Irish look-ups but I think she needs more info than what you have.
You could give her a try though.

julie
The searches i have been doing on patrick kelly. Died 1858 Beechworth comes from Ireland he died at 45 years old. makes him born about 1813. His parents were John and Margaret. Would there be any way i can get a birth certificate or some other way i can find out more about him?

Sorry, the ship docked in Sydney.

i got the 1853 certificate and i just double checked it and there is nothing on it suggesting another marriage for him
can you tell me where eleanor and Patrick get of the ship?

If you have their marriage certificate and it doesn't say whether he was single or widowed and do not know of any other way to find out.

Did not see any deaths for an Eleanor Kelly in NSW, nor any children born to Patrick & Eleanor

I noticed when checking out you info. that there are 2 marriages of a Patrick Kelly to an Ellen Bourke.
1 in 1852 (reg.no. 1487) and the other in 1853 (reg. no. 41386) both R.C. Melbourne.
I wondered if it was the same couple, and if there was different info on the other certificate.??

My Kelly's are from a a convict woman who was transported along with her 3 children in 1845

i guess anything is possible yes got his Marriage certificate to Ellen Bourke. i guess there is no way i can find out if he was a widower
which kelly line do y come through?

If his death certificate states that he was in NSW, Vic. and Ireland, I would assume that he was born in Ireland.
Unfortunately, you will probably never find his birth info. I have family from Ireland, (also Kelly, plus other) and as far as my family tree goes, its starts after they arrived here.

Only found this one..slight difference with age and your approx. birth date ..but depends when his birthday was..

KELLY Patrick 29 and wife (Eleanor, 28)
SHIP .. Scotia
YEAR .. 1849
REEL .. 2135, 2460

Have you got his marriage cettificate, to Ellen ?
Could he have been a widower at the time of that marriage. ?

Julie can you tell me i am trying to search for a kelly on my side i am not having much luck finding anything out on him his name is Patrick Kelly married Ellen Bourke in 1853 victoria his death certificate says he was 35 years old when he was married which then makes him born in 1818. he died in 1858 Victoria it also says he was in NSW 4years and Victoria 5 years and before that Ireland. So am i right to tink he came to Australia 1949 i cannot find anything on his birth or him comin to Australia. If you could help would be great

thanks Julie you are great

Possible siblings births.....

Reg. Number . Last Name . Given Name . Father's Name . Mother's Name . District

17197/1865 . KELLY . PATRICK . EDWARD . HONORA . YASS
18323/1867 . KELLY . EDWARD . EDWARD . HONORA . YASS
20143/1869 . KELLY . WILLIAM . EDWARD . HONORAH . YASS

Marriage....

Reg. Number .. 3430/1864
Groom .. KELLY EDWARD
Bride .. FINNERAN HONORA
District .. YASS

thanks Julie
i live about 10 hours away fom forbes. Yes this is here. i cannot find anything on William Kelly I have foun out He was born 17/03/1869 yass NSW died 22/12/1938 forbes

I have checked and double checked and can not find his birth registration

You might have to check the parish records for a Baptism.
Do you live far from Forbes ?

Found this death, but you would have to get their marriage certificate to see if the fathers name is correct

Reg. Number/Year .. 10424/1948
Name .. KELLY AMANDA MARIA
Father .. PEARSE
Mother .. MARY
District .. FORBES

Found their marriage

Reg. Number/ Year .. 4527/1889
Groom ... KELLY WILLIAM
Bride ... COLLITS AMANDA
District .. FORBES

Just found out amanda and william are definately francis kelly parents. amanda maiden name is collits.

Christine if you do not already have them you will need to buy his marriage and death certificate.
The registration numbers are in my earlier threads

They can have lots of extra info on them.
The info on the marrige certificate will have been given by Francis so should be reasonably accurate.

The info on the death certificate is given by an informant and is only as accurate as their knowledge, but may give you a place to search for his birth.

Have a birth date for francis 28 Aug 1896 Died 1941

yes he was still living in forbes when he died

and these deaths....
Reg. Number . Last Name . Given Names . Father's Name . Mother's Name . District
1443/1899 .. KELLY.. DORIS M .. WILLIAM .. AMANDA .. FORBES
5831/1903 .. KELLY .. JOSEPH P .. WILLIAM .. AMANDA .. FORBES
3983/1925.. KELLY .. ERNEST F .. WILLIAM .. AMANDA .. FORBES

Found these birth, with parents William & (A)manda, but no Francis......

Reg. Number . Last Name . Given Names . Father's Given Name . Mother's Given Name . District
12917/1891 .. KELLY .. ERNEST F J .. WILLIAM .. AMANDA .. FORBES
2908/1899 .. KELLY .. DORIS M .. WILLIAM .. AMANDA .. FORBES
20373/1889 .. KELLY .. WILLIAM E J .. WILLIAM A .. AMANDA M .. FORBES