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Hi there,

In my family (not yet on the tree) I have Edmond J Lipart (b c1890) married to Hilda Muriel Hardebeck in the March quarter of 1915. Hilda was born June Q 1890 and had 2 other female siblings - Violet and either Gretchen or Marguerita. Their parents were Carl Hardebeck and Amelia Dyson.

OK, this is where the plot thickens. Amelia had a brother who died, as did his wife. They had 2 kids Alexander Dyson (my grandfather) and Gladys Dyson. These 2 kids were 'adopted' by other parts of the family with Gladys coming to live with the Hardebecks.

It is Gladys that I'm trying to track down (with very little success thus far).

Is there anyone out there who can help me. I've tried the obvious surname boards (Dyson and Hardebeck) and now I'm going to the step sisters (of Gladys) and their familys in the hope that someone knows where this lady went - surely someone knows something.

Thanks in advance

Chris Lee
Brisbane, Australia

I thought that after all this time, somebody new on Genes might be able to help out. I am, unfortunately no further advanced in my research of this branch than before, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Chris

Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Edmond J Lipart married Hilda M Hardebeck
Name: LIPART, Edmond J
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Hardebeck
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 363

So, when are where was Gladys Dyson born please?

Dea x

1891 census transcription details for: Claremont, Oakleigh Park, Friern Barnet

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1057
Folio: 96
Page: 27
Reg. District: Barnet
Sub District: Finchley
Parish: Friern Barnet
Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Claremont, Oakleigh Park, Friern Barnet
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARDEBECK, Carl Head Married M 51 1840 Jeweller & Diamond Dealer
Germany Naturalized British Subject
HARDEBECK, Millie Wife Married F 31 1860 Islington, London
HARDEBECK, Guetchen Daughter F 5 1886 Canonbury, London
HARDEBECK, Violet Daughter F 3 1888 Canonbury, London
HARDEBECK, Hilda Daughter F 0 (11M) 1891 Canonbury, London
BEAVER, Marie Servant Single F 35 1856 Domestic Servant Cook
Stoke Newington, London
NOON, Amy Servant Single F 15 1876 Domestic Servant Nurse
Whetstone, Middlesex

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Amelia Matilda Dyson Name: Amelia Matilda Dyson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Carl Joseph Hardebeck
Spouse Age: 45
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Sep 1885
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Dyson - Builder.
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Hardebeck
Register Type: Parish Register

Dea x

1911
for reference

DYSON, Alexander Head Married M 45 1866 House Painter Islington VIEW
DYSON, Ada Kendall Wife Married4 years F 44 1867 Hackney VIEW
DYSON, Arthut Walter Son M 3 1908 Edmonton Middlesex VIEW
DYSON, Amelia Letitia Daughter F 1 1910 Islington VIEW
DYSON, Gladys Matilda F 12 1899 Islington VIEW
SMITH, Alexander Lyon Stepson M 12 1899 Islington VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 974
Reference: RG14PN974 RG78PN33 RD10 SD7 ED5 SN68
Registration District: Islington
Sub District: Highbury
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Islington
Address: 34 Kingsbury Road Islington N
County: London



Regards Vera

Is this your Amelia and is Alexander the brother who died?

1881 census transcription details for: 115, Balls Pond Rd, Islington

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 252
Folio: 58
Page: 1
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Islington East
Parish: Islington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 115, Balls Pond Rd, Islington
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DYSON, William Head Widower M 46 1835 Gas Fitter Islington, Middlesex
DYSON, Amelia Daughter Single F 20 1861 Islington, Middlesex
DYSON, Alexander Son Single M 15 1866 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
DICKMAN, E Visitor Single F 18 1863 Dress Maker Marylebone, Middlesex

Is this your Gladys....

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Gladys Matilda Dyson Name: Gladys Matilda Dyson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898
Baptism Date: 2 Oct 1898
Father's Name: Alexander Tiney Dyson (Tea Blender)
Mother's name: Lucy Dyson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Alexander William Dyson Name: Alexander William Dyson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 3 Jan 1897
Father's Name: Alexander Tiney Dyson (Tea Blender)
Mother's name: Lucy Dyson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
Dyson Alexander Tiny Islington 1b 556
Palmer Lucy Islington 1b 556



Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
Dyson Lucy 31 Islington 1b 298

According to the 1911 census info above, Alexander's birth name was SMITH

Were you aware of the younger children (not kids)?

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Dyson Alexander Tiney Islington 1b 691
Foster Arthur George Islington 1b 691
Mousley Lillian Maud Islington 1b 691
SMITH Ada Kendall Islington 1b 691

However - this death for the child shown in 1911 would suggest that it is not the right family

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Alexander Lyon Smith
Name: Alexander Lyon Smith
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1899
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1982
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Epping Forest
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2503

When you return, Chris, please give some facts relating to dates and locations

The info in your original post is somewhat inadequate as a research tool

Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
Dyson Alexander T 61 Hackney 1b 433

Name: Alexander Lyon Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1900
Father's Name: Charles Smith
Mother's name: Ada Kendall Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
******Dyson Alexander Tiny Islington 1b 556
Hunt Arthur Charles Islington 1b 556
Page Mahalah Islington 1b 556
*******Palmer Lucy Islington 1b 556

Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
Dyson Lucy 31 Islington 1b 298

This refutes my suggestion that 1911 was not the right family

1901


Name: Gladdys Dyson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Brenchley
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Brenchley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England



Registration district: Tonbridge
Sub-registration district: Brenchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 760
Folio: 21
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Carol J Hardebeck 61
Nellie Hardebeck 40
Violet Hardebeck 13
Hilda Hardebeck 10
Amy Bangs 26
Kate Attwater 19
Gladdys Dyson 2

it would seem that the Smith boy was a 'red herring'

1901

Name: William Dyson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 394
Piece: 228
Folio: 171
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Dyson 42
Fanny Dyson 42
Andrew Devyer 56
William Dyson 4

AND 1911

Name: William Alexandra Dyson
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 216 Queens Road, Dalston, London NE
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: South West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 1112
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Frederick Dyson 51
Fanny Dyson 51
William Alexandra Dyson 14

As has been shown above, Gladys did not remain with the Hardebecks once her father re-married

Have you traced her half-siblings?

Name: Arthur Walter Dyson
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1908
Date of Registration: Mar 1997
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Middlesex
Register Number: D38D
District and Subdistrict: 2271D
Entry number: 292


Name: Amelia Letitia Dyson
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1910
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1980
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 12
Page: 1578

Nothing to do with this search but have you put the surname into the NA catalogue?

There are records for a divorce case file (1877) and naturalization (1886) for Carl Joseph Hardebeck.

An interesting family!

Chris

There are numerous news articles about Hardebeck and Bornhardt jewellery business which was floated in 1898 and was considered to be a very good investment. One of the partners appears to be a Carl Hardebeck.

One article has some photographs of their work and it was absolutely stunning.

There was also a Carl Hardebeck who was a pianist in Ireland - any connection?

1901 England Census
about Ada Kendall Smith
Name: Ada Kendall Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Mother's name: Landra Marry
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Hamilton Terrace
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 225
Piece: 119
Folio: 71
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Kendall Smith 34 (Widow)
Landra Marry 64 (Mother)>>>>Susanna Berry on the image.
Ada Vivinia Smith 3>>>>Ada Victoria on the image.


Baptised the same time as Alexander...


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ada Victoria Smith Name: Ada Victoria Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1900
Father's Name: Charles Smith (Railway Clerk)
Mother's name: Ada Kendall Smith (21/2 yrs old)
Parish or Poor Law Union: Whitechapel St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Also on the same page a Brother.....Charles John Smith (5 years old)


Ada Kendals mother.........Susanna Greaves, remarried a James Berry.

Ada's marriage to Charles Smith...


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ada Kendal Greaves Name: Ada Kendal Greaves
Age: 25 (Spinster)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Charles Smith (Bachelor) Clerk
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jul 1892
Parish: Dalston St Mark
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Morland Greaves (Painter) Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Taylor Smith (Gentleman)
Register Type: Parish Register

1911 England Census
about Ada Victoria Smith Name: Ada Victoria Smith
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Wanstead
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Infant Orphan Asylum, Wanstead, Woodford Road, Wanstead N E
Occupation: school
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Wanstead

Ada Victoria Smith 13 School


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1901 England Census
about Alex Smith
Name: Alex Smith
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Nurse
Where born: N

Civil parish: Old Brentford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brentford
Town: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 225
Piece: 1195
Folio: 100
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
William Henry Russell 60
Maria Russell 50
Florence Minnie Russell 16
Alex Smith 3 (Nurse Child)