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William Mathews born c1883 in Leicester.He is the son of Annie Mathews ( nee Kemp) born c1863. -

Father unkown at this point, although in 1891, I found them under the name of Snow! Annie had also been previously known as Fanny Snoad.

Annie's ('Fanny') husband is shown as Walter. in 1891, Fanny was 28 & Walter 38.


Could someone please help me to find any of these in the 1871 & 1881 census - Leicester.
Many thanks

How confusing! Here is that census for reference.


Name: Walter Snow
[Walter Snoad]
[Walter Mathews]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Groom

Condition as to marriage: M

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 86
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ethel Snow 6/12
Fanny Snow 29 b Middlesex (also known as Annie Maria Matthews and Fanny Snoad) no occupation
Walter Snow 39 b Middlesex
William Snow 9

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I didnt know that she was born in Middx - thank you for that! great help.( does it give her occupation please)
& Does it say where Walter was born?

I really am having trouble tracing Annie/ Fanny and its her that I would like to know more about, so really need to find them in 1871 & 1881 if pos.
thanks again for your help.
Gill

Hi Gillian,

Do you subscribe to ancestry as you can contact the person who has made the corrections and there are lots of details.

She says that William was her great grandfather.

Christine

Dont have ancestry, I'm afraid - but I have heard from Susan Waller! (got a pm).

Dont think she has foundnd Walter or Annie / Fanny in 1871 / 1881 - so I am still looking.


thanks again
Gill

Ok, was going to offer to contact her on your behalf.

She says that Annie(Fanny) states born Leicester in 1901 and Middlesex in 1891, very confusing aren't they?

Christine

Annie Snow abt 1861 London,Middlesex.in 1881 as servant/cook at 19 Gascoyne Rd,Hackney with Wisby family & Mary Berry 19 servant. Poss yours

Thank you.

I do believe that Annie came from Middx & not Leicester.
Not sure if her name would have been Snow / Snoad ( not sure when she met Walter Snoad).
It may be that she was Annie ( or Fanny) Matthews or Kemp
I think she was possibly born Annie Kemp.

Can we find Walter Snoad ( Snow ) in the 1871 /1881 census at all please? Probably Leicester.
Gill

Possible Walter. He is a groom.

1871
Name: Walter Snoad
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Kingsclere
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Kingsclere
Sub-registration district: Kingsclere
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Adams 14
Thomas Armstrong 16
Harriet Bailey 39
George Barnard 16
Ellen Blake 31
Charles Bowman 25
Richard Brastheritt 17
William Ford 15
Emma Froome 20
John Goddard 24
William Hall 24
John Hemingway 22
Henry Kennington 18
Joseph Nicholl 16
Felix Oliver 19
Mary Oliver 15
Annie Porter 5
Edward J Porter 6
Ellen Porter 1
Emily A Porter 7
Emily J Porter 34
George H Porter 4
John Porter 32
Mildred Porter 4 months
Walter Snoad 14
Francis Solloway 24
Joseph Swan 15
James Ware 27

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Is this the right 1861 for Walter?


1861 England Census
about Walter Snoad
Name: Walter Snoad
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frances J
Mother's Name: Harriott
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 232
Household Members:
Name Age
George Brown 21 boarder, butterman b Camberwell
George East 26 boarder, butterman b Malling, Kent
Caroline Hiscock 35 visitor, tailoress b London, married
Alfred Snoad 1 b Bermondesey
Frances J Snoad 38 journeyman baker, b Canterbury
Francis Snoad 12 wireworker b Southwark
Harriott Snoad 39 dairykeeper, b London
Minnie Snoad 5 b Clapham
Walter Snoad 8
William Snoad 15 printer b Southwark, Kent

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The address looks like 50 Baalzephon Street.

I would estimate Walter as being born c1853 as in 1891 he is shown as 38yrs old.

Although the finding of a Walter Snoad aged 14 - a groom fits his work background - the age doesnt fit.

I would guess that the Walter you have found in 1861 is more likely to be him. Does it give any / all the family occupations - there may be a clue there? & street address?

thanks again

Was wondering about this one. The image looks like Snoah to me.

Name: Walter Snook
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Chedrea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Whitchurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: Green End
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Groom (8-1)

Registration district: Whitchurch
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
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Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Jones 35
Annie Jones 17
Frederick Jones 14
Gertrude Jones 7
Precilla Jones 10
William Jones 12
Mary Snook 23 b Leominster
Walter Snook 23

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Cant thank you enough for taking the trouble to look all these up for me.

However, again, the date of birth 1858, doesnt quite fit ( believe that we are looking for d.o.b c1853.)

Would like to know a bit more about the Walter you found in 1861 census if pos. ( sorry.looked again and noticed that you have given this info)

Im so intreagued - can we find this Walter again in 1871 please???
Gill

Here is what's left of that family in 1871. Walter has left.


1871 England Census
about Harriet Snook
Name: Harriet Snook
[Harriet Snoad]
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Francis J
Gender: Female
Where born: Stroud

Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred T Snook 13 scholar, b Bermondesey
Arthur H Snook 9 b Bermondesey
Francis J Snook 48 baker, b Canterbury deaf
Francis J Snook 22 printer, b Blackfriars deaf
Harriet Snook 49 b Stroud
Harriet M Snook 15 scholar, b Kensington

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I have looked in family search and cant find Walter at all - nothing!Cant find any of the family in 1881.

Dont know where Walter is ?????????

any ideas welcome thanks for your help

Sorry, have to go just now. Can't find anything else for Walter at the moment. Don't discard those other census records for Walter as people did lie about their ages in order to be employed. I'm not saying that's what happened but keep an open mind. Be back later.

Liz

Thanks Liz

All i do know is that Walters future wife Annie ( or Fanny) had at least three different surnames that she 'used' - shes really a bit of a mystery.

Gill

I have read Susan's message on the genforum and she reckons that this is Walter's marriage. She calls her Elizabeth Ravenhill b Herefordshire but I wonder if she was known as Mary on the 1881 census. Clutching at straws I know but she was born in Leominster which is where their daughter Grace was born in 1882.

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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Philip Fields 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Bay May E J Ravenhill 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Walter Edmond A Snoad 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Walter Edmund A Snoad 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Harriet Staines 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
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" have read Susan's message on the genforum"

Think I must be missing something as not sure what you mean????
Gill

Sorry I thought she'd mentioned it to you. if you google Walter Snoad you'll find it's the second site down.

Liz