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1980: John Lennon shot dead Former Beatle John Lennon has been shot dead by an unknown gunman who opened fire outside the musician's New York apartment. The 40-year-old was shot several times as he entered the Dakota, his luxury apartment building on Manhattan's Upper West Side, opposite Central Park, at 2300 local time. He was rushed in a police car to St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital Center, where he died. His wife, Yoko Ono, who is understood to have witnessed the attack, was with him. Shots heard A police spokesman said a suspect was in custody, but he had no other details of the shooting. 'This was no robbery,' the spokesman said, adding that Mr Lennon was probably shot by a 'deranged' person. Witness reports say at least three shots were fired and others have claimed they heard six. There are also reports Mr Lennon staggered up six steps into the vestibule after he was shot, before collapsing. Jack Douglas, Lennon's producer, said he and the Lennons had been at a studio called the Record Plant in mid-town earlier in the evening and Lennon left at 2230. Mr Lennon said he planned to have some dinner and then return home, Mr Douglas said. Fans at scene The Lennons are said to have left their limousine on the street and walked up the driveway when the gunman opened fire. It is unclear whether the man had been lying in wait in the entrance to the building for Mr Lennon, or whether he came up behind him. Witnesses describe the gunman as a 'pudgy kind of man', 35 to 40 years old with brown hair. Other former band members, Paul McCartney, guitarist George Harrison and drummer Ringo Starr are thought to have been informed of Lennon's murder. Fans have already begun arriving at the scene, many still unaware Lennon has died. Mr Lennon is survived by his wife, their son Sean, and his son from a previous relationship, Julian.

there is a documentary on about John lennon and the person who murdered him, not sure what to make of it!

Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Happy Xmas Kyoko Happy Xmas Julian) So this is Xmas And what have you done Another year over And a new one just begun And so this is Xmas I hope you have fun The near and the dear ones The old and the young A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear And so this is Xmas For weak and for strong The rich and the poor ones The road is so long And so happy Xmas For black and for white For yellow and red ones Let's stop all the fight A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear And so this is Xmas And what have we done Another year over And a new one just begun And so happy Xmas We hope you have fun The near and the dear ones The old and the young A very Merry Xmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear War is over, if you want it War is over now Happy Xmas --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bad influence or not, They loved each other,.... and to be honest, the Beatles would have broken up regardless , with or without Yoko.

Our life together is so precious together, We have grown - we have grown, Although our love is still special, Let's take our chance and fly away somewhere alone, It's been so long since we took the time, No-one's to blame, I know time flies so quikly, But when I see you darling, It's like we both are falling in love again, It'll be just like starting over - starting over, Everyday we used to make it love, Why can't we be making love nice and easy, It's time to spread our wing's and fly, Don't let another day go by my love, It'll be just like starting over - starting over, Why don't we take off alone, Take a trip far, far away, We'll be together on our own again, Like we used to in the early days, Well, well, well darling, It's been so long since we took the time, No-one's to blame, I know time flies so quikly, But when I see you darling, It's like we both are falling in love again, It'll be just like starting over - starting over, Everyday we used to make it love, Why can't we be making love nice and easy, It's time to spread our wing's and fly, Don't let another day go by my love, It'll be just like starting over - starting over, Our life together is so precious together, We have grown - we have grown, Although our love is still special, Let's take our chance and fly away somewhere alone.

8th December 1980 went to bed heard mum screaming found dad on mums bed . struggled for an hour to keep him alive and failed RIP Joseph Ives 8th of the 12th 1980

hiya malc, ahhhhh love so very sorry for you xxxxx

Sorry to hear that Malc. A lot of people like songs at the time they are released then over time they diss the songs the words & sometimes the Artist, well I always liked this song and always will. John Lennon was my favourite Beatle and I couldn't believe anyone would do what Chapman did. I am thinking of some more songs so may be back with more. :-) Pat x Working Class Hero As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so f**king crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still f**king peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me

Another fave that people think is naff today is 'Imagine' I still like it and love the video for it. One more before bed lol. Pat x Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one

Last one Ballad of John & Yoko great autobiographical track Pat x Standing on the dock at Southampton Trying to get to Holland or France The man in the Mac Said, 'You've gotta go back' You know, they didn't even give us a chance Christ, you know it ain't easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They're gonna crucify me Finally made the plane into Paris Honeymooning down by the Seine Peter Brown called to say 'You can make it okay 'You can get married in Gibraltar, near Spain' Christ, you know it ain't easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They're gonna crucify me Drove from Paris to the Amsterdam Hilton Talking in our beds for a week The newspeople said 'Say, what're you doing in bed?' I said, 'we're only trying to get us some peace' Christ, you know it ain't easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They're gonna crucify me Made a lightning trip to Vienna Eating chocolate cakes in a bag The newspapers said 'She's gone to his head 'They look just like two gurus in drag' Christ, you know it ain't easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They're gonna crucify me Caught the early plane back to London Fifty acrons tied in a sack The men from the press Said, 'we wish you success 'It's good to have the both of you back' Christ, you know it ain't easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They're gonna crucify me The way things are going They're gonna crucify me The way things are going They're gonna crucify me

'Jealous Guy' I was dreaming of a past and my heart was beating fast i began to lose control i began to lose control i didn't mean to hurt i'm sorry that i made you cry i didn't mean to hurt you i'm just a jealous guy i was feeling inscure you might not love me anymore i was shivering inside i was shivering inside i was trying to catch your eyes thought that you was trying to hide i was swallowing my pain i was swallowing my pain

'Woman' Woman I can hardly express, My mixed emotion at my thoughtlessness, After all I'm forever in your debt, And woman I will try express, My inner feelings and thankfullness, For showing me the meaning of succsess, oooh well, well, oooh well, well, Woman I know you understand The little child inside the man, Please remember my life is in your hands, And woman hold me close to your heart, However, distant don't keep us apart, After all it is written in the stars, oooh well, well, oooh well, well, Woman please let me explain, I never mean(t) to cause you sorrow or pain, So let me tell you again and again and again, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah)....

Watching The Wheels John Lennon People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing Well they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin When I say that I'm o.k. well they look at me kind of strange Surely you're not happy now you no longer play the game People say I'm lazy dreaming my life away Well they give me all kinds of advice designed to enlighten me When I tell them that I'm doing fine watching shadows on the wall Don't you miss the big time boy you're no longer on the ball I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go Ah, people asking questions lost in confusion Well I tell them there's no problem, only solutions Well they shake their heads and they look at me as if I've lost my mind I tell them there's no hurry I'm just sitting here doing time I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go I just had to let it go I just had to let it go Gwynne

Singing more John Lennon songs today:- 'Don`t Want to Be a Soldier' Well, i don't wanna be a soldier mama, i don't wanna die Well, i don't wanna be a sailor mama, i don't wanna fly Well, i don't wanna be a failure mama, i don't wanna cry Well, i don't wanna be a soldier mama, i don't wanna die Oh no oh no oh no oh no Well, i don't wanna be a rich man mama, i don't wanna cry Well, i don't wanna be a poor man mama, i don't wanna fly Well, i don't wanna be a lawyer mama, i don't wanna lie Well, i don't wanna be a soldier mama, i don't wanna die Oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no Well, i don't wanna be a beggar mama, i don't wanna die Well, i don't wanna be a thief now mama, i don't wanna fly Well, i don't wanna be a churchman mama, i don't wanna cry Well, i don't wanna be a soldier mama, i don't wanna die Oh no oh no oh no oh no

Enjoying this thread. thanks Elaine x John's 'Mind Games' We're playing those mind games together Pushing the barriers planting seeds Playing the mind guerrilla Chanting the Mantra peace on earth We all been playing those mind games forever Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil Doing the mind guerrilla Some call it magic the search for the grail Love is the answer and you know that for sure Love is a flower you got to let it grow So keep on playing those mind games together Faith in the future out of the now You just can't beat on those mind guerrillas Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind Yeah we're playing those mind games together Projecting our images in space and in time Yes is the answer and you know that for sure Yes is surrender you got to let it go So keep on playing those mind games together Doing the ritual dance in the sun Millions of mind guerrillas Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel Keep on playing those mind games together Raising the spirit of peace and love (I want you to make love, not war I know you've heard it before)

Instant Karma Instant karma’s gonna get you Gonna knock you right on the head You better get yourself together Pretty soon you’re gonna be dead What in the world you thinking of Laughing in the face of love What on earth you tryin’ to do It’s up to you, yeah you Instant karma’s gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face Better get yourself together darlin’ Join the human race How in the world you gonna see Laughin’ at fools like me Who in the hell d’you think you are A super star Well, right you are Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Ev’ryone come on Instant karma’s gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Ev’ryone you meet Why in the world are we here Surely not to live in pain and fear Why on earth are you there When you’re ev’rywhere Come and get your share Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Come on and on and on on on Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on On and on and on on and on Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Yeah we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun lennon john lyrics Instant Karma Imagine Just Gimme Some Truth Give Peace a Chance Stand by Me Woman Jealous Guy related lyrics Yoko Ono – Instant Karma Black Eyed Peas – Karma Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here Beatles – Helter Skelter Nina Simone – My Baby Just Cares for Me Creedence Clearwater Revival – Before You Accuse Me Bob Dylan – Like a Rolling Stone Rolling Stones – Sympathy for The Devil Beatles – The Long & Winding Road

LOL Roxanne that was the next one I was singing lol. Pat x

A weirder one by John can't say I agree with all of it but it's interesting still. Pat x GOD God is a concept By which we measure Our pain I'll say it again God is a concept By which we measure Our pain I don't believe in magic I don't believe in I-ching I don't believe in Bible I don't believe in tarot I don't believe in Hitler I don't believe in Jesus I don't believe in Kennedy I don't believe in Buddha I don't believe in Mantra I don't believe in Gita I don't believe in Yoga I don't believe in kings I don't believe in Elvis I don't believe in Zimmerman I don't believe in Beatles I just believe in me Yoko and me And that's reality The dream is over What can I say? The dream is over Yesterday I was the Dreamweaver But now I'm reborn I was the Walrus But now I'm John And so dear friends You'll just have to carry on The dream is over

'Nobody Told Me' Everybody's talking and no one says a word Everybody's making love and no one really cares There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs Always something happening and nothing going on There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot They're starving back in China so finish what you got Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Strange days indeed -- strange days indeed Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move Everyone's a winner and nothing left to lose There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground Everybody's crying and no one makes a sound There's a place for us in the movies you just gotta lay around Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high Everybody's flying and never touch the sky There's a UFO over New York and I ain't too surprised Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Nobody told me there'd be days like these Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama