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As in Karmic Retribution, What goes around comes around..... etc etc etc!

yes, I do Strongly!

Yes i do Paul, thats why i am a very patient person.x

Oh yes very much so and it does. Germaine x

I think it's more a case of people hoping I do not believe it is always the case, well infact I should say it isn't the case from experience :-( Wish myself it was true. You ok Paul? Pat x

Hinduism & Buddhism. The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny

definatly and my daughter has her saying every dog has its day,,,not too sure about the words but she means if someone wrongs you the eventually something will happen to them in return

I'm fine Pat, why you ask?

oh yes i certainly do we have proved that what goes around comes around, daughters ex gave her/us hell, after he recently confessed to a copper that he did it 'cos i like p***ing her dad off ' the copper has forwarded his harrasment to a court

Im with Pat on this one, i would like to believe its true but all too often the most rotten people seem to sail through life while some really lovely folk get nothing but problems.

The Law of Karma In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.) Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them. Let's take an example of a sequence of events. An unpleasant sensation occurs. A thought arises that the source of the unpleasantness was a person. (This thought is a delusion; any decisions based upon it will therefore be unskillful.) A thought arises that some past sensations of unpleasantness issued from this same person. (This thought is a further delusion.) This is followed by a willful decision to speak words that will produce an unpleasant sensation in that which is perceived as a person. (This decision is an act of hostility. Of all the events described so far, only this is called a karma.) Words are carefully chosen in the hopes that when heard they will cause pain. The words are pronounced aloud. (This is the execution of the decision to be hostile. It may also be classed as a kind of karma, although technically it is an after-karma.) There is a visual sensation of a furrowed brow and downturned mouth. The thought arises that the other person's face is frowning. The thought arises that the other person's feelings were hurt. There is a fleeting joyful feeling of success in knowing that one has scored a damaging verbal blow. Eventually (perhaps much later) there is an unpleasant sensation of regret, perhaps taking the form of a sensation of fear that the perceived enemy may retaliate, or perhaps taking the form of remorse on having acted impetuously, like an immature child, and hping that no one will remember this childish action. (This regret or fear is the unpleasant ripening of the karma, the unskillful decision to inflict pain through words.) If there are no persons at all, then there is no self and no other. There is no distinction between pain of which there is direct sensual awareness (which is conventionally called one's own pain) and pain that is known through inference (conventionally called another person's pain). Whether pain is known directly or indirectly, there is either an urge to quell it or an urge to cultivate it. Whether joy is known directly or indirectly, there is either an urge to nourish it or to quell it. In the conventional language of speaking of events personally, the urge to quell all pain and to nourish all joy is known as being ethical or skillful or (if you like) good. The urge to nourish pain and quell joy is known as being unskillful, unethical or bad. Being fully ethical is said to be impossible for those who make a distinction between self and other and show preference for the perceived self over the perceived other, for such perceptions inhibit being fully responsive. Being fully ethical is possible only for those who realize that all persons are empty, that is, devoid of personhood.

I can't understand this I always hope that if people do nasty things that they come to a nasty end or at least have nasty things done to them. In my own life I know for a fact that people hadn't had any bad Karma after they dished dirt. All those Dictators and Despots who never suffered for what they did to their people and in other people's Countries :-( As I say I would like to believe it, but it just doesn't always happen. Pat x

Thanks for that info Roxanne, it was very interesting.x

Pat, The whole point of 'karma' is that it can happen inthe next life or this life, depending on the action, It isent easy to understand it took me years:-))lol

What about Saddam? I'd say he's getting his Karma, then there's Stalin, Mossolini etc etc etc! I think they had it!

Em, Your welcome:-))x Paul, Saddams Karma hasent even begun:-)))

Roxanne, i only know the very basics of karma, and i think after reading this i would like to read deeper into it, a most interesting subject... very impressed with your knowledge :))

I think I do, someone certainly takes care of me, and my family. If anyone does anything in an unkind way against us, something seems to go wrong for them. I never wish harm on people, it just happens. I don't believe I have any power over anyones life, its just fate - and what goes round comes round.

Yes Paul I do believe in what goes around comes around. My mum used to say it all the time. She was severely physically abused by her father (my granddad) as a child. When he was in his 50's he became ill with alteshmiers (spelling). He was very ill for a very long time, longer than most people with this disease. My mum always said he was paying back his sins before he died. I tend to believe her on this. Deb

No good to me Roxanne I don't believe in a next life. It's no good unless it's here in this life as that's where it's happening. I cannot see that all the terrible things that are done to people by especially Dictators & Despots will be paid for somewhere else :-((( Hitler took the easy way out Paul, he never got to suffer for what he did to the World :-( Idi Amin Pol Pot and many more died of natural causes without suffering. Pat x