General Chat

Wullium Well if we have all sinned then, we are all destined to go to hell. Straight, gays et all. We are all as sinfull as eachother. Id rather spend my time with normal people and gays than to be totally perfect, be stuck in Heaven and be a billy no mate because im the only one Who needs philly light anyway ? Elaine x < Goes off to paint nails red, adjust horns and preen forked tail > Only joking !

Oh Gawd!! sorry. GR guidlines...please stick to the topic..or start another thread

William, I do not believe In hell! I believe theres no worse place than the planet we live on!! You only have to read the news to see where hell is and it certainly isent after death. 1, murders, wars, cruelty to all living things, in my very humble opinion this is it were here!

Hi Elaine - no need to be sorry! You say: 'I was told god loves all his children? So is that wrong, he loves only the non gay ones' I think the main thing I want to pick up on is this very wide-spread idea that Christians say that 'God hates gays'. It's far more accurate to say 'God hates sin' - whatever that sin may be. He is utterly perfect. Have I ever had a hateful thought - even once? If so, I'm a sinner. Have I ever had a lustful thought - if so, I'm a sinner. Have I ever envied someone or coveted something they have - if so, I'm a sinner. And God detests sin. I think I'll quote what I've said on a thread a few months back: It’s not the case that some are ‘good’ and that some are ‘bad’. God’s Word makes it very plain that ‘ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’. Have you ever done anything wrong? In that case you’re on the way to Hell (forget the flames and pitchforks...see further down) – as am I. Except……do you want me to answer this in another reply?? Hell – what is it like?? Imagine something that gives you the slightest pleasure – a smile from a friend, a peanut butter sandwich, a sunset. Hell will be devoid of anything like that. God gives all good gifts – and Hell is a place without God. There will be nothing good there whatsoever. No kindness, no friends, no God, no meaning, no common sense – utter desolation. Sincerely, William

Lucia, all I can say is that I have had some very good friends who are gay/lesbian, but you are entitled to your oppinion, and as you were asked the question I admire you for being honest, I have always said don't ask the question if you don't want an honest answer, and you gave an honest answer. Bev

Wullium I have a son and daughter If they grow up and announce they are gay yes id be dissapointed for one reason only (possibility of no grandchildren but not impossible ) But if they say they are gay, I would not say they are wrong, because they wouldnt be. If they want to love someone of their own sex then fine, my love will expand to their partners too. Everyone has a right to love and be loved, no matter if its from someone the same sex. I just want my children to be happy, Its not as if being gay is the same as doing something wrong such as murder is it. Elaine x Ps I was told god loves all his children ? So is that wrong, he loves only the non gay ones lol sorry....

Hi Elaine, You say 'A lot of people will take what they want from the bible, and ignore other parts they need not take referance to.' Can I point out that you are doing just that. 'A God who ought to be loving' - how can a creature possibly tell the Creator how He should be? [Note that I do not say that God is not loving...!] I don't know if you have children. But whether you do or not - would you be 'loving' if you didn't tell them what was right and wrong? Would you be 'loving' if you ignored every wrong thing they did? If they told you how you ought to be, would that be acceptable? And if they did the wrong thing - of course you would still love them - but does that mean you would love what they had done?? William

Wulliam I dont care if its God or Man who cast predudice and spout Homosexuals as sinners Its the 21st century now and tolerance and humanity should be taught, rather than Man tell us that A God who should love every living thing chooses to despise and cast out homosexuals. This is a book which is thousands of years old, and has been transcribed, re written over thousands of years. and often misinterpreted over the years. A lot of people will take what they want from the bible, and ignore other parts they need not take referance to. My nan said, open the bible at any page and you will have an answer to what you ask. How true, you make the passages fit what you want to hear Elaine x Sorry I did say I wasnt going to say anything but when faced with bible passages I see red..

It's quite amazing how intolerant 'tolerant' folk can be! Who would you believe - Almighty God or fallible man? And if God has stated something for all to see plainly, does it really matter what the majority opinion is? For those of you thinking this through properly, try understanding the Christian position from Acts 5:17-42 especially v.29 Regards, William

Pat sorry bout the bad memory luv ! My mate went on to date white guys and I believe she is now a single mother after failed marriage. Me I say let love know no boundries. I could add my views on the bible, about its contridictions but I dont want to offend anyone So ill keep me trap shut lol ! Elaine x

Elaine you brought back a bad memory a friend of mine wasn't allowed to bring her boyfriend back to her parents house because he was black :-( her parents were really angry about it all, wouldn't mind he was a great bloke. She ended up marrying a white bloke who beat her regularly they have since divorced but not before she had many years of unhappiness with him. I cannot understand people being against other people for reason of colour, religion or sexual orientation it is a mystery to me I have tried to understand but it is beyond me. My best friend is gay he isn't any different to anyone else except of course he is special to me and my family and of course his partner too. Pat x

Its great having opinions,I should know I have plenty and am very opinionated,but sometimes our opinions should be kept to ourselves,something ive learnt with age! You can hurt people with opinions that involve lifestyle,sexuality and religion! Only my opinion!lol

PMSL! oh yeah and I'm not religious and I haven't been brought up that way.

I cant blame Lucia for her views, even though I dont agree with them. Being this young, family influences often take first place in ones life until you have spent more time on earth to judge for yourself. The older generations were often force fed beliefs... beliefs they thought were moral and right. If Lucia has been brought up with religious morals, then that's what she will believe. At 14 (in about 1980) I was horrified when my friend started dating a black lad of the same age. So were her parents. All because my dear old nan had drummed it into me, no sex before marriage because its wrong, no boyfriends of another race etc...and definitely no babies out of wedlock ! (she thought I was innocent up to my marriage at the age of 27 !) On saying I had a boyfriend my aunt (On the other side of the family who was then about 33) took me to one side and said 'If you get pregnant it will kill your dad ' I was terrified even though our relationship was totally platonic ! A few years later I questioned all these issues, realised that it was more of a sin to judge these people on their sexuality, colour, marital status whilst having a child etc. Ive come unto a conclusion I dont see a person as black blue green etc, I dont see a parson who is gay or straight, I see them as John or Mary or Percy or whatever their name is. In my opinion, If God created all life, then he created Gay people from birth. Live and let live Elaine x

Does anyone know why the question was put to Lucia in the first place? Not something usually discussed over tea and biscuits around here.

what amuses me is that some people seem to think that a person choses to be gay. For a start, if you could chose your sexuality, would you chose one that is going to mean you are subjected to prejudice? Where family would disown you? No of course not! My friend's son has just 'come out' and when he did, I told him I had known he was gay since he was about 12 and he laughed and said I had known longer than he had. HIs mum is fine about it ( she had a brother who was gay and died of AIDS) but his father is in total denial. This lad is 18, and one of the nicest guys you could wish to meet. Since he had admitted he is gay, he is so much happier, its just amazing. I hope he meets someone special

Being relatively young (!?!) I can categorically state that my opinions now are VERY different to what they were 7 years ago. In those 7 years I have fallen in love (a couple of times), moved out of home, had several jobs, made friends and lost friends, travelled, fufilled some ambitions and gained some new ones and developed as a person. At 23 I know more than I did but not as much as I will! Love Becx

Hi Lucia, we're ordinary people really. Most of us dont look any different, dont do anything out of the ordinary and live everyday lives just the same as everyone else. You are still young and will no doubt change your views quite a few times before you decide whats what in this confusing life lol. No offence taken anyway Sheila x

We come into this world - male or female black or white heterosexual or homosexual We do not get a choice - we are born that way. In all of these circumstances, there has been discrimination. However, in the 21st century, women are breaking through the glass ceiling, the day is coming when America will have a president who is both a woman and black (go Condoleezza!). I would have hoped that today there would also be no discrimination against homosexuals and that people would celebrate their creativity and the wonderful contribution they make to society. If only we could all get rid of our prejudices, the world would be a happier more peaceful place. Anna

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