General Chat

Great Thread Muffy...and a wonderful response from everyone.. The 15 personal look well ...I think thats a blessing.. Yesterday I wanted to declare war on Iran to get them home .. If all it takes is sorry ...them please YES say it.. Wasn't it only last year that Iran wanted to be friends with everyone ? Or was it just the USA they wanted to be friends with ?

Of course Blair should, this is the second time they have sent militery into these waters and last time in 2004 they said it wouldnt happen again ,,,,,but we need 100% proof first it did happen this time ----------but will Iran move the goal posts and want more?

I just hope it doesn't get to a stage where our people are tried for this and the dodgy confessions used as evidence against them. Not sure when it is Karen I'll have a google about and see what I can find xx Brian my thoughts exactly. I don't believe a word of what Blair and his cronies say anymore xx

Is our goverment telling us the truth? perhaps they were in the wrong waters.

l would like to say NO and l think it should be NO, other wise we will be giving in to them for ever more. This will probably happen again and we'll be bamboozled into apologizing again!!!! - we should make a stand - BUT its a very risky business and do we take that risk. Talk about emotional blackmail. If it was me out there l would still say 'NO', but if it was a member of my family l would probably give in. jude sarf wales:o((

Hi Muffy initially i would say No but the lives of these personel and their families suffering isnt worth it Caz xx

Hi Karen From what I understand, they were working under a Mandate set out by the United Nations Security Council so they were patrolling those waters legitimately on behalf of the UN . xx

If one of mine was out there - and god forbid they ever are as one of them is joining the Navy I would say cross your fingers Mr Blair and say sorry............get them out safe and sound and then blast Iran to pieces Sorry but that is what I feel...........we can't just say Sorry and walk away or we would never be taken serious again - Not that we are now!!. We cannot allow it Iran to use our people for their own vile media circus, we need to show them it is not acceptable in this day and age but lets get them out firstly

Ann I agree with so much of what you are saying. xx

Ann It's not a case of they loves us but we are only a soft touch with anyone that comes in this country wether illegal or legal. My opinion is let us apologise so long as our military personnel get out safe and sound mentally as well as physically. Suexxx

Dafodil Anne, The trouble is, with these People they are take, take, take. try to negotiate with them and they class it as a 'Weakness'and keep pushing for more. Sending Becket to deal with them was stupid,They have no respect for Women there,and probably regarded it as an Insult to them. I know our forces are trained but not to the extent of 'Special Services' so we cannot expect a lot from them.Iran is taking the 'Pee' and its time they were made fully aware of the consequences of their actions and what could happen if they continue. It may not come from us but from' Israel' who are fully aware of what 'Iran' and the 'Mad Mullahs' intend for them,and they tend to take action first,and say sorry later,if they feel like it. Hal.

And just who will win if there is a nuclear war? All this national blustering makes me sick - we are no longer a great nation and we have no business being involved in someone else's war (Iraq). He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day. OC

I think the problem is trusting Iran enough to believe that saying sorry will get them released. If that is all it takes then yes do it. But can we trust them do you think? The MOD film did appear to show that they were not in Iranian waters. and Iran are using dirty tactics by picking on the only female there. so could we trust them? And I also think we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Ann Glos

No, but get our people out,then send them a message via a Trident with a Non Nuclear Warhead,Preferably to the building where the 'Mullahs and President 'of Iran reside,to show them what could and would happen if they continue doing this to our troops.There has been to many attempts to belittle our country by them and enough is enough. Hal.

There was no need to apologise Just Passing Through but thanks anyhow :0)

It is quite clear in my mind - the lives of 15 service personnel are far more important than any notion of national pride (Pride in WHAT, fgs???) Say sorry, get them home and THEN argue the toss if that is what Tony Blair feels he must do. I remember when the unspeakably evil Idi Amin was strutting his stuff and holding us to ransom...the Foreign Secretary of the day (can't remember his name!!) went out there to meet him, licked his, erm, shoes,pandered to his massive, insane ego, and the situation was defused. It takes a big man to do that - a lot bigger than Tony Blair I think. OC

Oops sorry Muffy - apologize if I got it wrong - there that did not take much did it - the apology that is..

its very hard.. i was raised to only say sorry if i ment it.. but under circumstancies... to get them poor peep's back safe and to their loved ones... yes if that what it takes... if it was one of mine ..... i would hope the goverment. would do the highland fling......if thats what it took... lynn x

Apparently Just Passing Through the military have proof that these people DIDN'T enter Iranian waters through satelite tracking devices. I have mixed feelings about it . Primarily because after the WMD debacle I no longer believe anything Tony Blair and this government have to say. If I believed that they definately weren't in Iranian waters 100% I would be firmly in the no apology camp. Though I do take the point that if it were one my family being held I would feel totally different. As it is I just hope they get home safely whatever we have to doxx

it's a very difficult situation isn't it? have just been watching it on Sky and discussing it in the family. The problem is that if we do 'apologise' then firstly WILL they release them and secondly does that give them carte blanche to push it even further? I think we are handling it right really, for the moment - as Tony Blair said ... firm, determined, patient. They are trying to provoke a reaction and I think we have to be really careful not to give them any excuse to take things further. They are also trying to get us as isolated as they are by saying that they don't want the UN or EU involved. Also, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes (on both 'sides') do we?